quietthinker
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No. I think of Saul (Paul) on the road to Damascus. I think of the Disciples gathered at Pentecost, I think of Balaam and I think of my own experience.
Receive the HS, how today ?
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Saul was not one of the 12 so I am cautious when it comes to what he writes, btw does he teach how the Spirit is received ?
quietthinker
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I don't find any conflict between Paul, the Disciples or Jesus.
I have my own experience. Does this mean it is invalidated because I'm not one of the twelve?
You've mentioned Paul again, does he teach the same method as the twelve to receive the Spirit ?
What verses from Paul should I be reading regarding this compared to the twelve and your experience ?
quietthinker
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Why think in terms of a method? Human methods are flawed. God's Spirit is not beholden to human methods.
What matters is Jesus, ie understanding his reality. His Spirit is given for that purpose.
Check out the ReDiscovering God podcasts. The link is in my signature below.
If scripture teaches the method then who are we to contradict it ?
Are there methods in Scripture that you are aware of that applies to you & I ?
quietthinker
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I have no methods. I hear the good news of Jesus and believe. My heart is drawn to a God who saved me and comforts me every day and gives me the desire to share the hope I have.
Hillsage
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Oh I considered it, but not for long. Because the word I received from the holy spirit of Christ in me who gently spoke, it was you was rebuked earlier. I just checked and found it AGAIN, clear back in post 72 where I rebuked you saying;
"I have 7 posts.;51, 61, 62, 65, 68, 69, 70. Not ONE of them has to do with RECEIVING or MANIPULATING A MANIFESTATION OF THE SPIRIT."
And you have continued to refuse doing so. WHY? because you can't. You are not a 'rebuker' you are a false accuser.
Luke is not saying that 1. repent, 2. be baptized, 3. receive the gift of the HS are ALL REQUIRED for salvation. Paul and Peter both had the same gospel message. Peter's presentation was more so for Jews, while Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles. You may have unknowingly picked a transitional time of the Church Era, where the Jews were being phased out. Today, salvation is by faith in Christ, for both Jew and Gentile.
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That's what Peter DID; it does not mean that it necessarily had to be so. I have to object to the reductionism that boils the gracious gift of God down to a 4-step mechanical procedure. "Do steps 1-4 in proper order, and God will do this, that, or the other."
Hillsage
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I am curious as to why you are asking ONE here, and not opening your questions to "whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother,"
I'm asking because IMO, the question which is being avoided by the ONE is this; Do you even consider the fact that there are two holy spirits? One being the spirit which Jesus was born with.....30 years before He received the Holy Spirit of God. And that Holy Spirit was always "upon Him" according to multiple scriptures. I'll just stop there and see if we can dialogue as "iron sharpening iron".
Neither do I have any methods QT, The Bible teaches us what we must know so that's why I was asking you for where you believe it teaches how we receive the Spirit, what we feel is irrelevant if not confirmed by the Bible. I did some online reading and here is the conflict, Paul teaches that the we are sealed with the Spirit only by trusting the gospel Eph 1:13 yet in some case Peter and John had to lay hands and pray Acts 8:14-18 for believers to receive the Spirit, so I ask myself, which is it, Paul or Peter and John ? I even had a chat to 3 different Pastors on online chat who could not agree with each other regarding on whether it was Paul, Peter and John or a combination
There are a lot of well meaning opinions around but I am just trying to find out what is relevant today based on what The Bible teaches and not what we feel or think, are there verses that you believe teach how we receive the Spirit today ?I am curious as to why you are asking ONE here, and not opening your questions to "whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother,"
I'll just stop there and see if we can dialogue as "iron sharpening iron".
quietthinker
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I don't think it matters, seer. When Jesus healed, sometimes he did it with just a word, other times put mud on the eyes and told them to wash. It is the same with the Spirit. Some people have a dramatic experience, others don't.
The evidence of having the Spirit is of course a change of heart, a change in the values held. This too is a matter of growth.
Jesus teaches how to receive the Spirit and He did that via His Apostles.
Here's what I've recently noticed.
Acts 2:38 teaches repent etc to receive the Spirit yet on some occasions Acts 8:14-18 Peter & John also had to lay hands and pray.
Then much later Eph 1:13 Paul teaches that believe the Gospel is all that is required.
The obvious question is which is it for today, the earlier Acts 2:38/Acts 8:14-18 or the later Eph 1:13 ?
Rockerduck
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Acts 2:38 is Peter's version of John the Baptist's baptism with the added '"receive the gift of the Holy Spirit". Acts 8:14-18 is the Apostles only gift to lay hands on and Ephesians 1:13 is correct for today.
Hillsage
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That is very true. But what is also true, is that being a 'false teacher' doesn't mean they are 'a liar'. The church is filled with 'false teachers' who don't agree with anyones "well meaning opinion" unless it's their opinion.
I see that in your posts so far, that's why I'm reaching out to you.
Would you not agree that what's "relevant today" should be what was relevant when it was first written?
Of course there are verses that teach. But applying the right verse to the right Sspirit, is where the church of today has their first problem.
So, again I ask, which holy spirit are you talking about? The first holy spirit which was IN Jesus at his birth. Or the second holy spirit which descended and "REMAINed UPON" him. (John 1:32)
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That reminds me of the evangelist at Broward Community College, total stranger, didn't know him from Adam, who was sure he could give me the gift of speaking in tongues. Seemed like an interesting guy; I decided to let him give it a go.
I checked to make sure that when he laid hands on me, he laid them on my head and nowhere near my wallet.
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