Who, can Not Sin and Why?

amigo de christo said:

Oh i am sure you DONT need to look at it . BUT IF YOU DID
you would have seen exactly why i had warned us to flee it all .
You are purposefully either being kept b ack from this , OR already know what they said and BELIEVE it .
I sure hope you DO NOT beleive what THEY SAID .
IT was a lie of the fahther of lies , of that which is of anti christ , of the mystery of inqiuity .
BUT you dont even want TO GO PEEK at it . NOW WHY IS that ziggy .
You listen to trump , you listen and watch what others say . But wont even bother to go examine this .
CAUSE if you did , YOU WOULD HAVE realized TRUMP IS IN ON IT . HE is IN ON IT TOO .

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Good morning @Ziggy

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Good morning @Lambano

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Lambano said:

Good morning, @Taken.

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Yes sir!

KUWN said:

The seed that remains IN HIM is a reference to the doctrine of Positional Truth. The seed is the Holy Spirit. This verse is not at all complicated. WHILE a believer is temporarily IN HIM. So, what John is saying, is that WHILE a believer is in fellowship (all known sins confessed in the Christian way of life), he can not sin. This is a restatement of verse 6.

The make this a little clearer, read James 1.14, 15

14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.
15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

A believer in fellowship with the Lord is said to be IN HIM, or IN CHRIST. While being in him (fellowship), he can not sin, the Holy Spirit is protecting him. But, as James says, if a believer gives into temptation, he leaves the protection of the Holy Spirit and is out of fellowship until he confesses his known sins. This confession of known sins brings a believer back into fellowship where he can not sin until he chooses to leave the protective custody of the Holy Spirit and sin again.

Yes, believers can not sin, when IN HIM, but once they are lured out of the protective customer of the Holy Spirit, he not only can sin but will sin.

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I think there ARE plenty of “Believers”…
WHO ARE NOT saved / quickened / Baptized.

They are in the interim process, of Learning something new…
Hearing; which receives the Blessing of Faith.
Curious,
Believing what they Hear,
Doubting some things,
Denying some things,
Afraid of some things,
Wondering about some things,
Sure of some things,
Unsure of some things,
Etc. Etc…
A normal “process” everyone experiences..

WHILE experiencing this phase…
They ARE receiving The HOLY Spirit of God…
** WITH them.
They ARE receiving BLESSINGS From God…

* They “KEY Points here ARE”;
1) they ARE still susceptible to … Outside Powers greater than their own Power.
* parents who do not believe
* demons
* wacky pastors
* friends ( especially teens )
* teachers
* governments
* celebrities
* tv, internet, etc.
* Etc.

2) they ARE dependent ON “their OWN Power”, to Keep, Hearing, Learning”…

3) At ANY time. They CAN be distracted, lull, step Away, convinced to Walk Away.

4) Should they Choose to WALK AWAY… the bit by bit FAITH they gained… becomes moot.

5) such who Walk Away are called;
“Fallen Away”…. Or “Fallen From Faith

This Whole Process is Called…..TASTING

It Rests ON these who are Warned…The Tasters” of such possibility of them Losing the Receipt of Their bought and paid for Gift of Salvation…. Should they Walk Away After Experience being WITH Gods and His Blessings.

The … extended Part…
The “TASTERS”…. Advancing TO: “EATERS”.

It is These…
* WHO freely choose To Call on the Lord…
Follow All the Steps (WAY, God has Established)… confess Belief, repent, etc.

* And the “KEY” POWER Switch…
No longer is such a man Warned About, Wicked, Evil, higher powers, convincing, bully, enticing, tricking, them “to Walk Away”…
They Literally… Can-NOT, walk Away, ever again Not Believe in the Lord God (sin)…
The POWER, that Keeps them In … Belief Forever…
Is Gods Supreme POWER With and IN Them

It is THEN… they can Never AGAIN…
Not Believe (ie sin) against God.
1 John 3:9

It is THEN…Forever they shall be with God.
And They called… Born of God.
He “their God”
They “His children”…

Never are “they” Subject to Gods Tribulations or Wrath”.

Glory to God,
Taken

KUWN said:

Yes, believers can not sin, when IN HIM, but once they are lured out of the protective customer of the Holy Spirit, he not only can sin but will sin.

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Believers CAN sin.
The converted believers Can NOT Sin.
With God Can be Lured AWAY.
With and IN Christ can NOT be Lured Away.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

The Amazing Plan/Works of God…

No one can BE Saved / Quickened….
Until…
His Body IS DEAD!
The Promise of Salvation is Given.
(Hanging on IF - Then)
If this is accomplished…then the Gift, blessing, reward, etc.)

The Actual receipt of Salvation …
Is After a bodily Death!
Also why OSAS… Is accurate.

Bummer…. Except that… THAT was a SECRET, God uncover, Revealed…

Enter Jesus… and the Option…. To freely choose to Be …
Crucified WITH Christ Jesus’ Body!

And remain “mortally physically Alive”…
But “Spiritually accounted Bodily Dead”…
And:
Occupying, Living IN Christ Jesus’ Perfect Risen Body …
That man called… Perfect-Ed IN Christ.
Sinless? No.
Perfect? No
Forgiven, covered Sin? Yes

This is a temporary situation, as long as your own body remains physically alive…
You get your own Glorified / Sinless / Perfect / holy body, when it is risen up.

Meantime… You have All the “tools”, power to Serve the Lord God.

And SERVE means… regardless of what “works’” you Do…. Those “works” do or do not Glorify God…

God Always repays HIS Debts…
Hear His Word? your Effort, His blessing of Faith
Works that Glorify God? your Effort, His blessings of Reward's.
Rewards? (Called Treasures stored up IN Heaven)
Rewards doled out? When Jesus Returns.

Gods Accounting “”Books””
Every human… is Accounted in Gods Book of Life. Against God? To be… Blotted Out.
Every identity, name, works, etc. accounted

Lambs Book of Life—-
The GEM…the Record of Names…having Received Salvation from the Baptism of the Lamb of God…
Names can Never be blotted Out!
Again…OSAS in forefront.

All works, that do Not Glorify God? Into the Fire… no punishment/ no reward/ no remembrance.

Glory to God,
Taken

KUWN said:

Sorry, don't quite follow what you are saying? This is know: The Scriptures know nothing of a "converted believer." Could you clarify this statement?

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Background…
All humans are created (formed by God) AND made, ( given Life / soul)…
Gen 2:3

The creation stays created as it was…
The making, is what allows God to improve “willing” humans… make us strong, make us well, make us faithful… etc.

And “make us” ( the willing )to live forever with Him.

We didn’t ask to be created… but the “Making”… is all about our FREEWILL to choose our “destiny”.

Conversion is A choice…
It is agreeing to have God… restore our corrupt soul, being in our corrupt (born not believing, ie. born in sin) Body.
Pss 23:3

It is agreeing to have God… rebirth our natural (of a mans seed) spirit ( ie. Truth in our heart )… to Gods Truth…
Weighing the fact… God is All knowing, man is not.
Ezek 18:31
Ezek 36:26

Converted…making a change in a man.
Preparation for Eternal Life with God.
Ability TO SEE God, as He IS: Spirit.

Matt 13
[15] For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Matt.18
[3] And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mark.4
[12] That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Also:
John 12:40
Acts 3:19
Acts 2:27

Anything else?

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

KUWN said:

It does if you distort OSAS position. Just to put this in perspective: OSAS is not a freedom to sin, but a freedom to serve.

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It’s the GEM, of absolute Assurance, that, from that Point of receiving Salvation… nothing can Separate us from God.

If you listen to the nonsense claims…(license to sin)…. It is always out of the mouth of someone, who neither believes or understands the gravity of Gods Ability to Make the Willing … perfect, forever, as He is Perfect…

Because ONLY that which IS holy… can be eternally With God, see Him.


Glory to God,
Taken