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Oh the hypocrisy!

I interpret publicly, and you accuse me (evidenced here regularly by the shear volume of your comments and actions) of interpreting privately, not privately but also publicly.
So you do not know then what biblical private interpretation means then. Okay.
Oh, and the irony--anti-Christ!

You need to read the scriptures again...and be corrected:

“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.​
45 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, 46 who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.
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51 Jesus said to them, “Have you understood all these things?”
They said to Him, “Yes, Lord.”
52 Then He said to them, “Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.” Matthew 13:47-52​
Know and love that parable. I also know its meanings without having to resort to personal "higher spiritual meanings". Maybe you should ty less invectives and more proclaiming your things that you obtained from your supposed "higher spiritual meanings".

Just to let you and all others hear know, the book of Jonah? I have done 3 month studies on that sharing with my students the lessons we can learn from that true account. that is not having to gather "higher spiritual meanings" like you , Jim Jones. David Koresh, Charles russel and Joseph Smith and legions of others over the centuries have done to their own destruction.
 

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So you do not know then what biblical private interpretation means then. Okay.
I do (know what private interpretation means). I was saying that you were actually the one promoting a private interpretation that has become a popular and "strong delusion", and correcting you.
 
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Know and love that parable. I also know its meanings without having to resort to personal "higher spiritual meanings". Maybe you should ty less invectives and more proclaiming your things that you obtained from your supposed "higher spiritual meanings".

Just to let you and all others hear know, the book of Jonah? I have done 3 month studies on that sharing with my students the lessons we can learn from that true account. that is not having to gather "higher spiritual meanings" like you , Jim Jones. David Koresh, Charles russel and Joseph Smith and legions of others over the centuries have done to their own destruction.
So puffed up, you are!

I give you the scriptures that show you wrong, and you resort to bragging...and of course accusing.


Check--got your number! Thanks for showing everyone else too!
 

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I do (what private interpretation means). I was saying that you were actually the one promoting a private interpretation that has become a popular and "strong delusion", and correcting you.
If it was a private interpretation, then it wouldn't be so popular. And what pray tell "private interpretation" are you referring to? How do you know it is not a "higher spiritual meaning"? and based on your response here, it don't seem like you know what the bible calls a private interpretation.
So puffed up, you are!

I give you the scriptures that show you wrong, and you resort to bragging...and of course accusing.


Check--got your number! Thanks for showing everyone else too!

Pretty much other than saying if any "higher spiritual meaning" contradicts the Inspired Written word of God- it is demoinic, I have delared no doctrine or declaration that you can apply Scripture to prove me wrong! You have just posted Scripture to make accusations without evidence.

You are guilty of idolatry! Making yourself God and declaring I am unsaved! You have trod into a realm, you have no business being in!!!!!!!

But I have a better understanding now. You have written three booklets and have declared Gopd has revelaed to you mysteries hidden from the rest of belieiving Christianity and you are now that specialprophet. Sent to give us those "higher spiritual meanings" (read rewrite Scripture).

You have to defend your psoition, for you hav epublished it. to declare yourself wrong would cru8sh your ego and cause you to lose much face in the eyes of the however few bought your booklets.

I will not spend $10 to buy one, but pray tell why do you believe time is an illusion? Is that also a higher spiritual meaning? Especially when god speaks of time so often in His Word.

Whiom do we trust, the Word of God or the Word of Scott A. Taylor???? Tough choice, but I will go with God!
 

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And what pray tell "private interpretation" are you referring to? How do you know it is not a "higher spiritual meaning"? and based on your response here, it don't seem like you know what the bible calls a private interpretation.
Oh, and now you don't remember what you have been saying, and expect me to help you (again)--terrific!

There is no new doctrine to be had. No new revelation that alters the Scripture.
Even Jesus corrected and altered what was "believed" to be scripture--but since you are referring to me and making accusations, here:

Then He said to them, “Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.” Matthew 13:52
 

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You are guilty of idolatry! Making yourself God and declaring I am unsaved! You have trod into a realm, you have no business being in!!!!!!!
Oh, this is good too!

Do you seriously not know how things that are written work?
  • Do you also accuse Paul of "Idolatry" for saying "For me, to live is Christ?"
  • Have you not read "But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you." (Matthew 10:19-21)
  • And my "business"--is that your "business?" -- Jesus said to him, “If I will...what is that to you? You follow Me.” (John 21:22)
 

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But I have a better understanding now. You have written three booklets and have declared Gopd has revelaed to you mysteries hidden from the rest of belieiving Christianity and you are now that specialprophet. Sent to give us those "higher spiritual meanings" (read rewrite Scripture).

You have to defend your psoition, for you hav epublished it. to declare yourself wrong would cru8sh your ego and cause you to lose much face in the eyes of the however few bought your booklets.

I will not spend $10 to buy one, but pray tell why do you believe time is an illusion? Is that also a higher spiritual meaning? Especially when god speaks of time so often in His Word.

Whiom do we trust, the Word of God or the Word of Scott A. Taylor???? Tough choice, but I will go with God!
God is not mocked. But you have made yourself known.
 

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Oh, I see where you're coming from -- "Crucify him!" That was "popular" too.

:( When will you ever learn.
Well maybe ytou wish to crucify the Lord again with your "higher spiritual learning". But I am content with His one death for me! YOu also need to learn metaphors.
Oh, and now you don't remember what you have been saying, and expect me to help you (again)--terrific!
You are playing the prosecuting attorney and making an accusation against me. I am merely asking for you to produce the evidence for your slander.
Even Jesus corrected and altered what was "believed" to be scripture--but since you are referring to me and making accusations, here:
And the key word was "believed". Jesus rebuked the leaders for making their written traditions and their version of "higher spiritual learning" to become part of Scripture.

And you cannot take a parable and make a doctrine out of it. One who claims to have been to the third heaven as Paul should know that!
Yeah, let's quote that again for the record.
Who knows? Maybe after 100 times you will finally begin to see the truth in it.
Oh, this is good too!

Do you seriously not know how things that are written work?
  • Do you also accuse Paul of "Idolatry" for saying "For me, to live is Christ?"
  • Have you not read "But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you." (Matthew 10:19-21)
  • And my "business"--is that your "business?" -- Jesus said to him, “If I will...what is that to you? You follow Me.” (John 21:22)
Yes I do know how they work. But when you declare someone an antichrist which means you are saying they are unsaved, you have elevated yourself to tthe level of the Triune god and making decisions you are woefully ignorant of.
God is not mocked. But you have made yourself known.
Once again you make yourself equal with god!!! WOW!!!! How do you fit your head out of double doors?

God is not mocked but your foolishness which you have publicly declared is certainly needing of mocking! But all this is written in time and because you have declared time is an illusion, all this is just an illusion.
 

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And the key word was "believed". Jesus rebuked the leaders for making their written traditions and their version of "higher spiritual learning" to become part of Scripture.
So...you think the scriptures are NOT the word of God, but the work of "leaders?"

Yeah, no need to quote your slander--you do it to yourself.
 
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Yes I do know how they work. But when you declare someone an antichrist which means you are saying they are unsaved, you have elevated yourself to tthe level of the Triune god and making decisions you are woefully ignorant of.
You missed it again. It was not I who was speaking those declarations to you.
 

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Once again you make yourself equal with god!!! WOW!!!! How do you fit your head out of double doors?

God is not mocked but your foolishness which you have publicly declared is certainly needing of mocking! But all this is written in time and because you have declared time is an illusion, all this is just an illusion.
And again--you missed it--denying that the Holy Spirit could be speaking to you, while you mock and blaspheme.
 

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So...you think the scriptures are NOT the word of God, but the work of "leaders?"

Yeah, no need to quote your slander--you do it to yourself.
Not in the least! And if you read my posts you would not have made such wrong implication. what jesus rebuked were the collected laws and writings of all the rabbis that were called by Jesus and many as the "Traditions of the elders". They were given a place as high as the Scriptures and Jesus rebuked that. what Jesus rebuked were teh "higher spiritual meanings" of the rabbis.


And again--you missed it--denying that the Holy Spirit could be speaking to you, while you mock and blaspheme.
Another false accusation against a believer! I never denied the Holy Spirit still speaks to us! What I have said is that He does not deliver new doctrine or will contradict or seek to alter the Inspired Written Word of God!
You missed it again. It was not I who was speaking those declarations to you.
Yes it was. I know my redeemer and He is not you with your benighted myopic and acerbic soul. I fear the one speaking these lies to you is the arch enemy of mankind.
 

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Not in the least! And if you read my posts you would not have made such wrong implication. what jesus rebuked were the collected laws and writings of all the rabbis that were called by Jesus and many as the "Traditions of the elders". They were given a place as high as the Scriptures and Jesus rebuked that. what Jesus rebuked were teh "higher spiritual meanings" of the rabbis.
That is YOUR opinion.
 

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Another false accusation against a believer! I never denied the Holy Spirit still speaks to us! What I have said is that He does not deliver new doctrine or will contradict or seek to alter the Inspired Written Word of God!
I quoted you, here is what you said, which you did against what God spoke to you through me...as if that were not what Christ said would occur:
Once again you make yourself equal with god!!!
 

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That is YOUR opinion.
No that is truth.
That is quite a mouth full--worth quoting for the record.
Please do. I have read many of your posts to many people here. You have a very condescending spirit about you.
I quoted you, here is what you said, which you did against what God spoke to you through me...as if that were not what Christ said would occur:
And this word salad has nothing to do with me knowing the Holy Spirit speaks to men. He qoutes SCripture and teaches us the word, not your personal "higher spiritual meanings" like Charles Russel, Joseph Smith, David Koresh, Jim Jones et. al.
 

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The definition of “symbolism” is “the practice of representing things by means of symbols or of attributing symbolic meanings or significance to objects, events or relationships.”

In my opinion, those who interpret scripture, especially prophetic scriptures emphasizing symbolism are off track. There is no denying that scripture uses symbolism or symbolic language occasionally but usually it defines it within the context. Ex. Rev.17:3 - “So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.”

Symbolism explained: Rev. 17:9 - “…The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.”
Rev. 17:12 - “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings…”
Rev. 17:18 - “.”And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.
God used symbolism to cloak future prophetic events from the world, for a time, but to still be proof He knows all to those who finally come to the knowledge of said factual utterances. Most of what you say has a sense of truth, but you miss a wee bit. Above, God does indeed give some info, but the onfo He gives is more symbolism.

KEY, the wat to read Revelation is to understand God uses the Old Testament (OT) as a codebook for His book of Revelation codes & symbolisms. What must first be done is to get a grasp of the old OT, or you can't solve the codes.

Numbers (I will just do the most relevant numbers)

6 stands for Man
7 = Divine Completion
8 = New Beginnings
10 = Completion
12 = Fullnesss

These numbers are key to understanding the Book of Revelation (BoR), without understanding this no one can ever interpret the BoR properly.

So, the 7 Heads (of the Beast Monster) are 7 Mountains and we know mountains are shown as Powers that Arise, its not to be interpreted as 7 Hills in once city, its 7 Nations that arise in the Mediterranean Sea Region that hold power over Israel. So, lets reduce it to a general meaning. God divinely places 7 Beast Powers over Israel, 6 have come and gone, but the 7th Divinely Completes God will. In other words the Anti-Christ/Beast Man will help God bring Israel to repentance, Isaiah 10:4-5 says the Assyrian is God's instrument of Wrath !!

The 10 horns (powers in the bible) are 10 kings, but alas 10 means Completion, as in the 10 Virgin Brides represent Complete Christendom in full. In Rev. 2:10 Smyrna was face 10 days of tribulation, which means they face tribulation fir the Complete Church Age. These Kings are a collective of powers that arise from the Old Roman Fourth Beasts (Rev. 7:7-8) Head. They are not 10, God was never giving Satan a true number to plan ahead on for 2000 years !! Those 10 (Completion) represents the Compete E.U. when it was 8 nations in 1957 via the Council of Rome, and when it expanded at every turn, whether it was 13, or 18 or 27 et al. That way God can never be proven wrong by naysayers.

In Rev. 17:18 that Great City is Harlotry, not Babylon, nor Rome. Babylon = False Governance, the Harlot represents False Religion. In Rev. 17:7 notice the Harlot RIDES the [Gov.] Beast? She is always comingled with these Beast Governments until the very last one, where the 10 kill her off, but why? Because the last Beast says he alone is god, he thus will demand all religions be destroyed, save Beast Worship, which means he will wipe out Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, the Remnant Church that comes to Christ after the pre trib. rapture.

The 144,000 are the Jews Fleeing Judea, nit 144,000 super preaching Jews. Whenever we see perfect numbers its a code. When God saved unto Himself 7000 men, we can see 7 (Divine Completion) x 10, x 10 x 10 (Completion) is God saying ALL Israel who repents as is Divine Completion x Completion, God was never giving Satan these true numbers 2000-2500 years ago, that is why in Zech. 13:8-9 He said 1/3, He was never giving Satan a heads up on these true numbers. So, how does 144,000 compute? Well, lets see, 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completion so 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repents !! Its not even hard to see it, once we see it. So, they are all Male Virgins right? Just like the Bride of Christ are represented with 10 Female Virgins, whilst I am a male and not a virgin, I am a virgin in Christ who made me a ne man, and I am a part of the Bride of Christ. Since Israel were God's bride long ago, they are shown as Male Virgins, the first and made new in Christs blood.

Only now can we understand the 144,000 are fleeing Just before God's Wrath falls in Rev. 8 via the coming 7 Trumps. The Seals are not Judgments, the seal up God's Wrath like 7 locks, if you take 6 locks off a closet door, you still can not open it up unto the 7th lock (or seal) is taken off. This is why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8 starts God's Wrath, the 144,000 are those who repent and flee Judea, it will be 5 million Jews because the 1/3 number = 5 Million Jews (Jews are ALL Israel who live in Judea hence "Jews"). Now we know why we get the 30 minutes of silence. It grieved God when He flooded the earth, there is no joy in what these Angels are about to do, its a somber event that has to come to pass, billions of humans will die. But justice has to prevail. John saw all this, which is why the little book was sweet like honey in the mouth, (Justice means eternity with God is near) but very bitter in the stomach (meaning John new billions of humans would die, he saw it all, then was ordered to write it as given unto him by God in symbolism and codes.
 

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God used symbolism to cloak future prophetic events from the world, for a time, but to still be proof He knows all to those who finally come to the knowledge of said factual utterances. Most of what you say has a sense of truth, but you miss a wee bit. Above, God does indeed give some info, but the onfo He gives is more symbolism.

KEY, the wat to read Revelation is to understand God uses the Old Testament (OT) as a codebook for His book of Revelation codes & symbolisms. What must first be done is to get a grasp of the old OT, or you can't solve the codes.

Numbers (I will just do the most relevant numbers)

6 stands for Man
7 = Divine Completion
8 = New Beginnings
10 = Completion
12 = Fullnesss

These numbers are key to understanding the Book of Revelation (BoR), without understanding this no one can ever interpret the BoR properly.

So, the 7 Heads (of the Beast Monster) are 7 Mountains and we know mountains are shown as Powers that Arise, its not to be interpreted as 7 Hills in once city, its 7 Nations that arise in the Mediterranean Sea Region that hold power over Israel. So, lets reduce it to a general meaning. God divinely places 7 Beast Powers over Israel, 6 have come and gone, but the 7th Divinely Completes God will. In other words the Anti-Christ/Beast Man will help God bring Israel to repentance, Isaiah 10:4-5 says the Assyrian is God's instrument of Wrath !!

The 10 horns (powers in the bible) are 10 kings, but alas 10 means Completion, as in the 10 Virgin Brides represent Complete Christendom in full. In Rev. 2:10 Smyrna was face 10 days of tribulation, which means they face tribulation fir the Complete Church Age. These Kings are a collective of powers that arise from the Old Roman Fourth Beasts (Rev. 7:7-8) Head. They are not 10, God was never giving Satan a true number to plan ahead on for 2000 years !! Those 10 (Completion) represents the Compete E.U. when it was 8 nations in 1957 via the Council of Rome, and when it expanded at every turn, whether it was 13, or 18 or 27 et al. That way God can never be proven wrong by naysayers.

In Rev. 17:18 that Great City is Harlotry, not Babylon, nor Rome. Babylon = False Governance, the Harlot represents False Religion. In Rev. 17:7 notice the Harlot RIDES the [Gov.] Beast? She is always comingled with these Beast Governments until the very last one, where the 10 kill her off, but why? Because the last Beast says he alone is god, he thus will demand all religions be destroyed, save Beast Worship, which means he will wipe out Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, the Remnant Church that comes to Christ after the pre trib. rapture.

The 144,000 are the Jews Fleeing Judea, nit 144,000 super preaching Jews. Whenever we see perfect numbers its a code. When God saved unto Himself 7000 men, we can see 7 (Divine Completion) x 10, x 10 x 10 (Completion) is God saying ALL Israel who repents as is Divine Completion x Completion, God was never giving Satan these true numbers 2000-2500 years ago, that is why in Zech. 13:8-9 He said 1/3, He was never giving Satan a heads up on these true numbers. So, how does 144,000 compute? Well, lets see, 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completion so 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 or ALL Israel who repents !! Its not even hard to see it, once we see it. So, they are all Male Virgins right? Just like the Bride of Christ are represented with 10 Female Virgins, whilst I am a male and not a virgin, I am a virgin in Christ who made me a ne man, and I am a part of the Bride of Christ. Since Israel were God's bride long ago, they are shown as Male Virgins, the first and made new in Christs blood.

Only now can we understand the 144,000 are fleeing Just before God's Wrath falls in Rev. 8 via the coming 7 Trumps. The Seals are not Judgments, the seal up God's Wrath like 7 locks, if you take 6 locks off a closet door, you still can not open it up unto the 7th lock (or seal) is taken off. This is why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8 starts God's Wrath, the 144,000 are those who repent and flee Judea, it will be 5 million Jews because the 1/3 number = 5 Million Jews (Jews are ALL Israel who live in Judea hence "Jews"). Now we know why we get the 30 minutes of silence. It grieved God when He flooded the earth, there is no joy in what these Angels are about to do, its a somber event that has to come to pass, billions of humans will die. But justice has to prevail. John saw all this, which is why the little book was sweet like honey in the mouth, (Justice means eternity with God is near) but very bitter in the stomach (meaning John new billions of humans would die, he saw it all, then was ordered to write it as given unto him by God in symbolism and codes.
I think it's much more simpler and less prone to error if we just believe it as written. When symbolism is used it's quite easy to understand w/o resorting to OT numerology. In Rev. there is far more literal truth then there is symbolism.