Who, can Not Sin and Why?

Taken · May 3, 2026

Justified said:
You can quote Scripture; so can atheists. These tell me nothing--I have no idea what you think these passages say and how they pertain to what I said.

First I speak, using “Biblical words”…
You complain.

Then I show you the same Biblical words in Scripture.

You want to tell me about Atheists.

Why do you ignore other context in 1 John?

Have Already SAID WHY…
Listen…
bECAUSE I DO NOT APPLY TO ME. scriptures ThAT…DO NOT APPLY TO ME.

1Jn 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Doesn’t apply to me.
If that applies to you… quote and claim it.

Back at ya… SATAN knows Scripture too.
What about it?

Why bring up a string of Random Scriptures…?

I have several Bibles.

You want to challenge What I have said for myself, quote me and then Ask why or what…

That is a very small sample of such commands. Any and every command to put away sin and do what is right and expected and become holy, is pointless if believers cannot sin. Not even Paul considered himself perfect:

I have never said…. Believers can not sin.
I have said I can not Sin.
I know Why.
Apparently you do not.
Not my problem.
So what about what Paul thought about himself?
Why tell me about Paul? It is of no effect on me

If Paul didn't consider himself perfect and he clearly didn't consider other believers perfect, hence the commands to live how believers ought to live, then we shouldn't consider ourselves perfect either. That is in complete agreement with John that those who claim to be without sin are self-deceived, without the truth, make God a liar, and don't have his word in them.

What is your point of you picking random topics and carrying on about what Paul thought about perfection?
Did I say something about That?

Justified · May 3, 2026

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First I speak, using “Biblical words”…
You complain.

Then I show you the same Biblical words in Scripture.

Just as you take the words of the Bible out of context and so misunderstand what the Bible says, so you have done so with my words. I clearly stated:

'The NT mentions only believers and unbelievers. It is a false distinction you are making between "believers" and "converted believers," and "with God" and "with and in Christ." And that unnecessarily muddies the waters.

Every mention of "believer(s)" in the NT refers only to those who are truly converted and saved; unbelievers are those who are not. And, depending on precisely what you mean by "with God," no one can be with God if they are not in Christ.'

None of the verses you posted address those two points. You did not post a single verse that mentions "converted believers" or that makes a distinction between them and "believers."

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You want to tell me about Atheists.

I simply mentioned that even atheists can quote Scripture; and it doesn't mean they have understood it.

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Have Already SAID WHY…
Listen…
bECAUSE I DO NOT APPLY TO ME. scriptures ThAT…DO NOT APPLY TO ME.

Then you are in serious error. You may not apply such passages to you, but they actually do apply to you; that is rather the whole point of them.

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Doesn’t apply to me.

It absolutely does apply to you.

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If that applies to you… quote and claim it.

Of course it applies to me; it applies to all who are in Christ.

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Back at ya… SATAN knows Scripture too.
What about it?

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Why bring up a string of Random Scriptures…?

There is clearly nothing random about them. Pay attention to what they say, particularly the underlined parts and my explanation of why I posted them.

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I have several Bibles.

Then try reading one of them with heart to understand what they say.

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You want to challenge What I have said for myself, quote me and then Ask why or what…

I don't know what you're saying here.

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I have never said…. Believers can not sin.

Yes, you essentially did. You said that "converted believers Can NOT Sin." But, since there is no such thing as an unconverted believer--all believers are converted--that means there are only believers, as we see throughout the NT. So, you have essentially stated that believers cannot sin.

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I have said I can not Sin.

I know and that comes from spiritual pride and arrogance, which is sin. Since you believe you cannot sin, John says that you're self-deceived, don't have the truth in you, make God a liar, and don't have his word in you. Those are his words, not mine.

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I know Why.
Apparently you do not.
Not my problem.

I don't know what you're saying here.

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So what about what Paul thought about himself?
Why tell me about Paul? It is of no effect on me

Of course it doesn't, because of your sin of pride. Paul didn't consider himself spiritually perfect, or perfectly holy, which meant that he struggled with sin. Yet, you think you are greater than both Paul and John.

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What is your point of you picking random topics and carrying on about what Paul thought about perfection?
Did I say something about That?

Again, there is nothing random at all in it. I'm pointing out that your lack of understanding of Scripture is leading you to think you're better than Paul and John, and indeed better than any believer who has ever lived.

Taken · May 3, 2026

Justified said:
Just as you take the words of the Bible out of context and so misunderstand what the Bible says, so you have done so with my words.

So you accuse… means nothing.
So, I disagree…with you.

There are Believers who ARE Saved.
There are Believers who HOPE to be Saved.
There ARE Forgiven Believers.
There are OVERCOME Believers.
There ARE Believers IN JESUS.
There ARE Believers IN CHRIST.
There ARE UnBelievers WHO Never Believed.
There ARE UnBelievers WHO At a time past Used to Believe.

If you require elementary Language to understand Believers of this or that, get a toddler Bible.

Not my JOB to Read, Study, Pay attention to the Context FOR YOU, or Choose or Decide wherever you Stand in Belief.

'The NT mentions only believers and unbelievers. It is a false distinction you are making between "believers" and "converted believers," and "with God" and "with and in Christ." And that unnecessarily muddies the waters.

No, actually it is Revealing Distinctions.

Every mention of "believer(s)" in the NT refers only to those who are truly converted and saved; unbelievers are those who are not. And, depending on precisely what you mean by "with God," no one can be with God if they are not in Christ.'

Conversion accomplished are those “IN Christ…

Uh oh… here are Some God Will Save who Died, Believing IN Jesus, but Not Christ!

1 Thes. 4:
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

None of the verses you posted address those two points. You did not post a single verse that mentions "converted believers" or that makes a distinction between them and "believers."

I simply mentioned that even atheists can quote Scripture; and it doesn't mean they have understood it.

I quoted Scripture's Relevant to “conversion”
That you questioned.

You quote a string of irrelevant Scriptures, not being discussed.

Then you are in serious error. You may not apply such passages to you, but they actually do apply to you; that is rather the whole point of them.
It absolutely does apply to you.

Not going to play your game.

Not your Job to Cherry pick what you “think” applies to me.

You think… Anyone has said…
(They have no sin
Or
They Are perfect
Or
they can not Sin
Or
Whatever Quote THEM making those claims…)

Taken · May 3, 2026

Justified said:
Yes, you essentially did. You said that "converted believers Can NOT Sin." But, since there is no such thing as an unconverted believer--all believers are converted--that means there are only believers, as we see throughout the NT. So, you have essentially stated that believers cannot sin.

Utter nonsense.

I know and that comes from spiritual pride and arrogance, which is sin. Since you believe you cannot sin, John says that you're self-deceived, don't have the truth in you, make God a liar, and don't have his word in you. Those are his words, not mine.

What you promote is…
“that the Born again, CAN Sin…when even John says that is Not Possible.”…

Looks like You are the one who denies the Truth.

I suspect it is Because you Do Not know What SIN IS.

Of course it doesn't, because of your sin of pride. Paul didn't consider himself spiritually perfect, or perfectly holy, which meant that he struggled with sin. Yet, you think you are greater than both Paul and John.

Struggle away, if it makes you feel better….

Again, there is nothing random at all in it. I'm pointing out that your lack of understanding of Scripture is leading you to think you're better than Paul and John, and indeed better than any believer who has ever lived.

No Lack of understanding on my part…
Assured In Christ, have overcome, am forgiven, can not sin, am perfected in Christ, soul restored, spirit quickened…not prideful, rather thankful and not ashamed to state my Standing.

You don’t like it, or share the same, your choice.

Taken · May 3, 2026

Justified said:
Why do you ignore other context in 1 John?

Why did you quote these passages to me…. Without you “quoting ME” making those claims?

1Jn 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jn 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Justified · May 3, 2026

Taken said:
So you accuse… means nothing.
So, I disagree…with you.

There are Believers who ARE Saved.
There are Believers who HOPE to be Saved.
There ARE Forgiven Believers.
There are OVERCOME Believers.
There ARE Believers IN JESUS.
There ARE Believers IN CHRIST.
There ARE UnBelievers WHO Never Believed.
There ARE UnBelievers WHO At a time past Used to Believe.

If you require elementary Language to understand Believers of this or that, get a toddler Bible.

Not my JOB to Read, Study, Pay attention to the Context FOR YOU, or Choose or Decide wherever you Stand in Belief.

And yet you cannot provide a single verse to support what you have said. The NT speaks only of believers—weak and strong in faith—and unbelievers. There are no other categories of believers, as you claim.

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No, actually it is Revealing Distinctions.

Distinctions which are not supported on Scripture. If you want to make such claims, you must back them up with Scripture, lest you make it say something it doesn’t.

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Conversion accomplished are those “IN Christ…

Of course, and that applies to every songle believer.

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Uh oh… here are Some God Will Save who Died, Believing IN Jesus, but Not Christ!

1 Thes. 4:
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

What false distinction are you trying to make now? Jesus is the Christ.

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I quoted Scripture's Relevant to “conversion”
That you questioned.

Which is irrelevant to the point I was making, which was, again, your false distinction between “believers” and “converted believers.” Every believer is, by definition, converted; that is precisely what makes them a believer.

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You quote a string of irrelevant Scriptures, not being discussed.

They’re very relevant, as they show that all believers sin.

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Not going to play your game.

Not your Job to Cherry pick what you “think” applies to me.

I’m noy playing any game. This is an extremely serious error, heresy even, on your part. If you claim to be a believer, then the Bible applies to you, in one way or another; you can’t pick and choose what does and doesn’t apply to you.

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You think… Anyone has said…
(They have no sin
Or
They Are perfect
Or
they can not Sin
Or
Whatever Quote THEM making those claims…)

I quoted you making those claims, so I don’t understand what your point is.

Justified · May 3, 2026

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Utter nonsense.

No, it’s true, based on your own arguments.

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What you promote is…
“that the Born again, CAN Sin…when even John says that is Not Possible.”…

Looks like You are the one who denies the Truth.

Once again, the grammar of John is such that he is speaking of sin being a habit, something that characterizes a person. Besides, if 1 John 3:9 is saying believers cannot sin, period, then that contradicts 1:8-2:1 and 5:16.

1Jn 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

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I suspect it is Because you Do Not know What SIN IS.

It’s a deep topic. I suggest reading Not the Way It’s Supposed to Be: A Breviary of Sin, by Cornelius Plantinga Jr.

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Struggle away, if it makes you feel better….

It doesn’t make me feel better, but it is biblical.

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No Lack of understanding on my part…
Assured In Christ, have overcome, am forgiven, can not sin, am perfected in Christ, soul restored, spirit quickened…not prideful, rather thankful and not ashamed to state my Standing.

You don’t like it, or share the same, your choice.

I don’t like it because claiming that you cannot sin is heresy—it is to make God a liar. It is your soul that is at stake.

Jack · May 3, 2026

Taken said:
Pss .51
[13] Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

Isa.60
[5] Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

Matt.13
[15] For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Matt.18
[3] And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mark.4
[12] That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Luke.22
[32] But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

John.12
[40] He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Acts.3
[19] Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Acts.28
[27] For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

YOU can pick and choose which Scriptures Apply to YOU… by what YOU have or Have NOT done/ accomplished.

So ALSO can I.
I know What God Offered…
I know How (order and way) God established to Claim, Take, Have, Hold, Keep His Offering.

It is imperative YOU KNOW what WORDS Mean.

And WHO those words Apply To or Not…
and WHY.

You should remind everyone here that you HATE people, defend abortion and LIED for all to witness here. And yet you say you "CANNOT sin". You're LYING to yourself!

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Taken · May 4, 2026

Justified said:
…claiming that you cannot sin is heresy—it is to make God a liar.

By your own Testimony…I will presume your Standing is to exclude yourself from heresy, to Reject Gods Offering, and your choice to continue IN sin.

That is “your” FREEWILL to choose.

Thanks for clarifying, you and I do NOT share a common bond.

I am not you, and I exercised my own FREEWILL to Accept Gods Offering, be Made Forgiven and be Made Freed from sin.

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:
[6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 3
[18a]We I know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken · May 4, 2026

Justified said:
Distinctions which are not supported on Scripture.

Distinctions ARE revealed by The Caveats….
IF / THEN

And … I have already addressed the “ignorance” of men, Who DO NOT know the meaning of WORDS….
While foolishly insisting they are
Qualified to dictate an Others Beliefs and Standing.

Every believer is, by definition, converted; that is precisely what makes them a believer.

ignorant claim.

If you claim to be a believer, then the Bible applies to you,
in one way or another;
you can’t pick and choose what does and doesn’t apply to you.

ignorant claim.

I quoted you making those claims, so I don’t understand what your point is.

Some may claim…
They HAVE no Sin
They Are Perfect

When, “copy paste”, Showing, ME, my words Making those claims.

Taken · May 4, 2026

Justified said:
if 1 John 3:9 is saying believers cannot sin, period,

YOUR IF is A lie. 1 John says what IT says, Not what YOU Twist.

Not your “IF”…
But “Whosoever IS”…

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

then that contradicts 1:8-2:1 and 5:16.

Your THEN is also a lie based on your lie of IF .

IF / Then appears numerous times IN ACTUAL SCRIPTURE…without you attempting to Rewrite Scripture to attempt to Validate your own False claims and accusations.

Jack · May 4, 2026

Taken said:
YOUR IF is A lie. 1 John says what IT says, Not what YOU Twist.

Not your “IF”…
But “Whosoever IS”…

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Your THEN is also a lie based on your lie of IF .

IF / Then appears numerous times IN ACTUAL SCRIPTURE…without you attempting to Rewrite Scripture to attempt to Validate your own False claims and accusations.

You're LYING to yourself!

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Taken · May 4, 2026

Jack said:
You're LYING to yourself!

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Oh good grief Jack…
Repeating a Scripture over and over and over proves nothing except you can copy and paste.

IF ANYONE on this Forum has Stated those Words in that Scripture…
Stop looking foolish and Show their own Quote!

Jack · May 4, 2026

Taken said:
Oh good grief Jack…
Repeating a Scripture over and over and over proves nothing except you can copy and paste.

IF ANYONE on this Forum has Stated those Words in that Scripture…
Stop looking foolish and Show their own Quote!

You HATE gays, defend abortion and LIED for all to witness here. And you say you "CANNOT sin".

You're LYING to yourself!

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Taken · May 5, 2026

Jack said:
You HATE gays, defend abortion and LIED for all to witness here. And you say you "CANNOT sin".

You're LYING to yourself!

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Some people ARE Ignorant.

Some people go to Extreme Depths to PROVE their IGNORANCE and FOOLISHNESS.

And FOOLS will suffer their own consequences.

Jack · May 5, 2026

Taken said:
Some people ARE Ignorant.

Some people go to Extreme Depths to PROVE their IGNORANCE and FOOLISHNESS

And FOOLS will suffer their own consequences.

Don't confess here. Confess to God.

1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Taken · May 5, 2026

Who, can Not Sin and Why?

They who ARE Saved.
Because they Accepted Gods Offering of Salvation.

1 Cor 1:
[18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

2 Cor 2:
[15] For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Heb 10:
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Glory to God,
Taken

Jack · May 5, 2026

Satan LOVES his "CANNOT sin" and OSAS HOAXES!

Taken · May 8, 2026

Jack said:
Satan LOVES his "CANNOT sin" and OSAS HOAXES!

Thanks for sharing “your belief” of Satan’s Love and accrediting Satan for eternal Salvation.

Jack · May 9, 2026

Taken said:
Thanks for sharing “your belief” of Satan’s Love and accrediting Satan for eternal Salvation.

Are you sure you want to hear your sins again, oh "CANNOT sin" sinner?

Who, can Not Sin and Why?

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