Who, can Not Sin and Why?

Taken said:

By your own Testimony…I will presume your Standing is to exclude yourself from heresy, to Reject Gods Offering, and your choice to continue IN sin.

That is “your” FREEWILL to choose.

Thanks for clarifying, you and I do NOT share a common bond.

I am not you, and I exercised my own FREEWILL to Accept Gods Offering, be Made Forgiven and be Made Freed from sin.

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


1 John 3:
[6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 3
[18a]We I know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not;

Glory to God,
Taken

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You have exercised your free will to make God a liar by denying what is plainly stated in Scripture. That is your choice, but that is my concern.

Taken said:

Distinctions ARE revealed by The Caveats….
IF / THEN

And … I have already addressed the “ignorance” of men, Who DO NOT know the meaning of WORDS….
While foolishly insisting they are
Qualified to dictate an Others Beliefs and Standing.



ignorant claim.



ignorant claim.

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Then actually prove it. I have asked more than once for you to support your (false) distinctions between supposedly different types of believers. This is what you said (HERE):

"Believers CAN sin.
The converted believers Can NOT Sin.
With God Can be Lured AWAY.
With and IN Christ can NOT be Lured Away."

This was my response (HERE):

'You should use biblical language the way the Bible uses it, not as it suits your beliefs. The NT mentions only believers and unbelievers. It is a false distinction you are making between "believers" and "converted believers," and "with God" and "with and in Christ." And that unnecessarily muddies the waters.

Every mention of "believer(s)" in the NT refers only to those who are truly converted and saved; unbelievers are those who are not. And, depending on precisely what you mean by "with God," no one can be with God if they are not in Christ.'

And you have not provided any evidence to support your claims.

Taken said:

Some may claim…
They HAVE no Sin
They Are Perfect

When, “copy paste”, Showing, ME, my words Making those claims.

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Are you saying that you have never claimed to have no sin or that you are perfect? You have stated and implied multiple times that you cannot sin. That can only be if you have no sin and are perfect. If you are not perfect, then you can sin, and do sin.

Taken said:

YOUR IF is A lie. 1 John says what IT says, Not what YOU Twist.

Not your “IF”…
But “Whosoever IS”…

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

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I didn't twist anything. It seems that you don't understand some basics of argument. I said "if" because I was arguing from your position. The point was to point out that if John was making that claim, then he contradicts himself. So, instead of addressing the contradiction, you chose to focus on something irrelevant.

Taken said:

Your THEN is also a lie based on your lie of IF .

IF / Then appears numerous times IN ACTUAL SCRIPTURE…without you attempting to Rewrite Scripture to attempt to Validate your own False claims and accusations.

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Again, there is no lie or attempt to rewrite Scripture. If/then statements are known as conditional statements. That is, if the condition A is true, then B follows.

So, as far as your position goes, if 1 John 3:9 is saying believers cannot sin, period, then if follows that that contradicts 1:8-2:1 and 5:16.

Intuitively you likely know that that is the case, which is you haven't addressed those verses.

Taken said:

Accusing of Lies while ASKING another to answer you…
From the get-go is very low on my list to accomodate!

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It seems that any request for support for your claims is also very low on your list to accommodate. That is a very un-Christian position. Christians should be very willing to provide evidence for their claims in the pursuit of truth.

Taken said:

Taken:"Believers CAN sin.
The converted believers Can NOT Sin.
With God Can be Lured AWAY.
With and IN Christ can NOT be Lured Away."

Yep!

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Then prove it. I have asked you more than once to back up these distinctions, and until you do, they're false.

Taken said:

I certainly can have a spiritual conversation with a qualified person… who can politely speak in general and is already prepared for a spiritual conversation..

That doesn’t describe you.

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Ok. Is that why you're unwilling to provide biblical evidence for your claims?

Taken said:

Rude, crude, Unprepared.

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You're continuing to deflect to avoid providing evidence for your claims.

Taken said:

So? Not my job to read, learn, Study, establish my relationship with God, FOR YOU!

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I'm not asking you to establish my relationship with God. That is utterly irrelevant. I'm asking you to provide evidence for the claims you are making regarding what you believe Scripture states. So far you have been unwilling to do so.

Taken said:

Correct. I have NOT ever made those claims.



Correct.

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There you go. Total contradiction.

Taken said:

Your LOGICAL conclusion.
Irrelevant regarding a Spiritual Understanding.

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Because it is the logical conclusion. If you think otherwise, prove it.

Taken said:

Don’t speak FOR me!

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That is the logical conclusion of your understanding of 1 John 3:9.

Taken said:

Correct. Not my job to look- up FOR you.

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But it is. The onus is on the person who makes truth claims to provide support for those claims.

Taken said:

So? review your own posts…
Which amount to…you saying…
“hey liar Prove to me you are not Lying”

Ya, going jump right on THAT…. Pfff, No!

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It is nothing like that. You made truth claims, about what Scripture states no less, and you have been unwilling to provide evidence. Your claims, then, simply remain your person opinion and not truth.

Taken said:

Adults should KNOW how to properly and respectfully communicate.

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I agree, so why are you being so disrespectful and unwilling to communicate?

Taken said:

No. You are rude.

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There is nothing rude about requesting others to provide evidence of their claims, especially about Scripture. That is how discussion takes place, at least for those who are actually concerned with truth.

Unsupported opinion remains just that when no evidence is provided.

Taken said:

Learn how to ask a question

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I did; I used a question mark.

Taken said:

No, you are making statements and adding a question mark.

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What does this have to do with anything, other than to deflect? I'm requesting that you provide evidence.

Justified said:

What does this have to do with anything, other than to deflect?

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You catch on quickly! That's exactly what he does constantly, evades and dodges simple questions!