Preacher Deception Faith and no works? Video
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According to the teachings of Paul you are saved and sealed by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4 teaches how you are saved
Eph 1:13 teaches how you are sealed
Besides repent from the sin of disbelief what else is required to be and remain saved ?
Titus 3:5-7
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
Besides faith, if you can find works, performance, not sinning, water baptism etc as a condition of justification as taught by Paul please list the verses.
Quoting anything outside of Paul will confirm that Paul teaches justification by faith alone.
It's unfortunate that he is conflating different meanings of justification--something he doesn't even define--which results in wrong teaching on the topic. He doesn't even seem to even know exactly what "faith alone" typically refers to, resulting in a straw man.
Justification is a one-off event which Paul teaches how that is achieved today.
PS95
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I thought he did a great job. He said time and time again that we are justified by faith. True faith doesn't stay alone.
BUT as soon as some people hear the idea of good works (love) being a result of saving faith- their toes curl in fear and they yell, HERETIC you are trying to save yourself! lol no no...
They actually they think you are trying to earn salvation which is NOT what he said.
Even Paul said that LOVE is GREATER THAN FAITH- He said WITHOUT LOVE YOU HAVE NOTHING. He said you can give all of your possessions to the poor- but without LOVE it's nothing. You can even be a martyr and it wont matter. Faith is vital but that TRUE FAITH LOVES which shows your faith is real. Wait did PAul say Love is greater than faith? YES.
1 Cor 13
1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things...........
8Love never fails............
13And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
We are being perfected in LOVE.
- James spoke of faith perfected- so did John-- it was over 30 yrs after Abraham was justified by faith- and his faith was perfected by this TEST of faith. (Gen 22:1)
God KNEW Abraham would have faith or He never would have declared him righteous before---- and Abraham KNEW he would return with Isaac- he said so..
Gen 22:5-8
5Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the donkey, and I and the lad will go over there; and we will worship and return to you.” 6Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Isaac his son, and he took in his hand the fire and the knife. So the two of them walked on together. 7Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” And he said, “Behold, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?” 8Abraham said, “God will provide for Himself the lamb for the burnt offering, my son.” So the two of them walked on together.
The man in the video wasn't speaking to works of Mosaic law (as some here do) - And when Paul & James spoke of good works-they weren't either- we are to love.
LOVE fulfills the law.
WHY do we LOVE? Because He first loved us! The Spirit moves us to want to do good. We now see others as people who are lost in need of a Savior just as we once were. We are not self righteous like we once were. We desire to make peace but many resist it. We give and don't expect. WE are changed inside- we are forgiven so how can we not forgive others?
We REST from our works of the LAW- not from doing good- we should never weary in doing good! In due season we shall reap..
Who here thinks you can claim salvation and then live greedy or unhelpful or hateful or live immorally and be really be saved?
That is where the heretic lives.
THAT is NOT they way a true believer lives. It's a dead faith.
God changes us- our hearts are softer- we desire to do good.
Why do you call me Lord and not DO the things I say? Luke 6:46
There is no fear here- just love. Love for Him ought to make you WANT to obey Him. Nothing He taught is burdensome- He wants us to LOVE. Love covers all. You can have all the FAITH in the world- without love-- it's worthless. <- Paul.
People- please stop denying the whole truth! You don't teach Paul when you cherry pick Paul. Your good works reveal the genuine of your faith. God prepares the good works for us- we ARE TO walk IN THEM.
What level of 'works' does Paul teach is required to prove you are JUSTIFIED ?
List the verses please since opinions without them are just 'noise'
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You used to post here with a different name. It's impossible for there to be two of you.
If you read my post you should already know that answer as I said it. We are justified by faith & that faith works through love.
Looks like I'm not the only one who believes in the unique teachings of Paul. I have seen other post that concur with me :)
Im blessed to see more than a few like you who love God's Word and obey the spirit of truth. I'm encouraged.
Who are you addressing with this post? Please try and make that more coherent and add some timestamps to support what you say the guy in the video said.
PS95
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Incoherent? How so? Look again- it shows that I replied to TitusTwoWife.
No- sorry I am not watching it again for time stamps.
Rather than handing me a homework assignment- you are free to watch it again and lay out what your issue is.
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Paul taught justification by faith in Christ Jesus, without the deeds of the Law. These rose against Paul in quick indignation, accusing him of propagating a gospel of lawlessness. Great dissension followed. Paul and Barnabas stood up for the truth. They testified: "Wherever we preached to the Gentiles, the Holy Ghost came upon those who received the Word. This happened everywhere. We preached not circumcision, we did not require observance of the Law. We preached faith in Jesus Christ. At our preaching of faith, God gave to the hearers the Holy Ghost." From this fact Paul and Barnabas inferred that the Holy Ghost approved the faith of the Gentiles without the Law and circumcision. If the faith of the Gentiles had not pleased the Holy Ghost, He would not have manifested His presence in the uncircumcised hearers of the Word. - Penelope: Or Love’s Labour Lost, vol. 3 | Project Gutenberg (Martin Luther's commentary on the Book of Galatians Chapter 2)
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The video wasn't about doing works of the law. Maybe watch it.
He said repeatedly we are justified by grace thru faith in Jesus.
He leaned in heavily on being earnest about doing good works after we are saved.
Everything the man said is backed up by scripture. He divided the scriptures fully and rightly.
Have a listen.
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Yes, yes, yes works AFTER saved but not to be saved.
The SAVED believer later appears at the Judgement Seat of Christ.
Rom 14:10, 1 Cor 3:10-15, 2 Cor 5:10
Where their post saved life will be judged resulting in eternal rewards/loss yet remains saved.
Result :- "Pauper or Prince" in Heaven.
Armour of God
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Do I have faith. Yes
Therefore, in some people's opinion, I will be saved already, just on that.
Do I have good deeds. Yes
Do I repent for my sins. Yes
Am I baptised. Yes
Will I still be saved. Yes
So then, i choose to repent for my sins and have good deeds rather than bad deeds, because scripture tells us that we will be judged, even Paul says this.
2 Corinthians 5:10
Romans 14:10-12
Therefore, in some people's opinion, I will be saved already, just on that.
Do I have good deeds. Yes
Do I repent for my sins. Yes
Am I baptised. Yes
Will I still be saved. Yes
So then, i choose to repent for my sins and have good deeds rather than bad deeds, because scripture tells us that we will be judged, even Paul says this.
2 Corinthians 5:10
Romans 14:10-12
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Let's again see what Paul teaches re faith and works to be saved, justified, made righteous
The Gospel :-
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Armour of God
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I don't drink or smoke or do illicit drugs.
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Do you accept or reject the teachings of Christ through Paul re how to be saved today ?
The Gospel :-
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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