there are two plausible meanings which is true?
1 cor 13:13 still says three (3) things are eternal not faith alone!
the greatest is charity not faith alone!
thks
Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?
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1 cor 13:13 still says three (3) things are eternal not faith alone!
the greatest is charity not faith alone!
thks
for what purpose?
The faith the fathers of the apostolic council of Nicea!
One baptism for the remission of sins!
thks
mailmandan
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Philippians 1:29 is not talking about salvation through faith plus suffering for His sake, as if we could suffer enough in order to earn our salvation.
Your misinterpretation is in conflict with Ephesians 2:8,9 which says nothing about salvation based on suffering.
As a Christian we all suffer in varying degrees for his sake. This is descriptive rather than prescriptive.
In regard to 2 Timothy 2:12, we see a contrast with, "if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him. If we endure, we shall also reign with Him -- AND -- If we deny Him, He also will deny us. If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
"By contrast, the latter "deny Him and faithless" points to the opposite of died with Him, endure and reign with Him. Jesus Himself warned of the danger of denying Him in Matthew 10:33 - "But whoever shall deny Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.." To "deny him" here does not point merely to a temporary weakness of faith, as in the case of Peter who denied Jesus three times during a moment of weakness (Luke 22:54-62), but is referring to life in it's entirety. The inevitable result is that "He will also deny us."
The warning is repeated in the final sentence, "if we are faithless, he abides faithful." To be "faithless" is in the present tense and denotes this as the habitual attitude, not a temporary lapse of faith. But in contrast to human faithlessness, "He remains faithful," faithful to His word and righteous character and His warning that unbelievers will be rejected.
mailmandan
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I already thoroughly covered Mark 16:16 with you in posts #153 and #201. Now in regard to Acts 8:37, And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. In John 20:31, we read - but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
Now what happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics. Water baptism follows believing and salvation.
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mailmandan
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Paul is not talking about how we become saved in 1 Corinthians 13:13. It's like everything that I explained to you in post #213 and prior to that just went right over your head.
or provide a purpose? like nicea
The faith the fathers of the apostolic council of Nicea!
One baptism for the remission of sins!
thks
Behold
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Exactly..
Water Baptism FOLLOWS.......Salvation..........it does not cause it as the "water cults" like the Mary-Cult falsely teach.
And reader if you are ever having a time wasting discussion with a PROUD Mary Cult member, and they bring to you... this verse..
"Noah and family (8) were saved by water".......Pet 3:20.........as this is one of their favorite verses to misuse to try to falsely prove that water saves you...
Then just ask them......... "what would have happened then, if NOAH and Family, and all the animals that were in the ARK, had gotten out of the Ark and into the water". ???????????????????????
A.) THEY would have all DROWNED, same as everyone else on the earth who was in the Judgement FLOOD Water.
At this point, the Mary Cult member, or similar water cult (and their : Act 2:38 is the Gospel..) deceiver, is going to stand there quietly. (or as they sit behind their little screen and keyboard)...while their little mind spins into orbit as it realizes that the ARK saved them from the WATER............But then, wonder of wonders.... they'll return back to Mary-Cult Land mentality and again just tell you again....>>"they were saved by the water".
At this point you will have learned what it means to deal with a "MaryCult" member who is utterly and totally brainwashed beyond the beyond.
AND It gets even worse once you start trying to help them out of their Mary Worship, that they will claim is just.."adoration".
(They just lied to you.) and they wont be confessing that sin later.....they will be rejoicing in that lie, as "Mary Worship" is the cornerstone of the Catholic Cult.
In Fact, if you took "Mary worship" out of the Catholic Cult, it wouse cease to exist.
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amigo de christo
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sorry i dont heed the RCC . wont do it . rather die first .
But be happy that i do believe that a believer should be also water baptized after Believin in Christ .
But i just though you should know
I Dont heed a word one of them popes . but rest in the fact i dont heed them wild eyed nar realmers either
nor the mormon , nor the JW . But that i do happily enjoy the scriptures and letters of the apostels , the b ible .
I do enjoy that and enjoy fellowship with those
who rather than twisting the scrips to serve their fleshly desires , simply rather just read and learn and enjoy the truth .
Let that bring a smile to your face and joy to your heart . Sheep follow JESUS . To the trenches one and all .
AND be real happy i dont follow squat to do with the inclusive god and its ecumeincal interfaith of anti christ peace .
Let that encourage you today my friend . Now on those feet . We got a real and true gospel
to s pread and to teach all to observe ALL things JESUS taught and later the apostels taught .
Let that bring a smile of joy to your heart . No compromising for the sheep .
amigo de christo
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the hereneutics o men often do twist things .
However you are correct about that . Water baptisim FOLLOWS believing on HE who can give one salvation .
In other words
As the REPENTANT theif who no longer jusetified his wicked sin s
once said , LORD JESUS REMEMBER ME . HE knew JESUS was LORD , HE KNEW and thus HE called upon HIM .
And JESUS said , TODAY ye shall be with me in paradise .
Notice JESUS didnt say , HEY undo your st raps and tell them to let you down
cause if you aint water baptized you cannot be saved .
HOWEVER to those who do beleive , IT is a commandment of JESUS to do so . SO WE DO .
but HERE is how one be saved . DO as did the dying theif did on the cross , YOU TURN TO JESUS .
or else PERISH . that simple .
amigo de christo
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i hope you realize this ecumenical interfaith came OF THE RCC . try and understand that .
And her peace plan be of many anti christs . cause i seen first hand her interreligious dialouge .
AND I SEEN First hand ITS DENIAL of the gopsel of JESUS CHRIST which clearly says YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM .
And yalls boy DJT , vance , kushner , YEAH they do the bidding of such a harlot
and her interfaith abraham peace accords plan . that be who it all sprang of my friend . Just thought
you needed to know this .
mailmandan
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Well, in Romans 4:11, we read that Abraham's circumcision was a physical sign pointing to a spiritual reality, and a seal authenticating that Abraham already had a right standing with God through faith. Circumcision did not save Abraham, but it still was not meaningless. Its similar with baptism in the NT. False religion turns signs and symbols of salvation into the substance and the source.
Behold
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Avoid this cult like you would avoid a grave robber.
And by the way, the Mary-Cult collects dead body parts, and keeps them..
They refer to this grave robbing activity as : Gathering "Relics".
To BELIEVE this filthy activity is "of God" is a profession of mental illness , and the fact that this evil behavior is long standing within the dark and demonic history of the Mary-Cult provides us with full proof that the "mary-cult" : is Satanic.
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Marvelloustime
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amigo de christo
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For abraham indeed beleived GOD and had faith in HIM . And oh yes the circumcision came later .
It was by faith that abraham did walk .
You can bet every ducket you own abraham would not have followed interfaith , and why ,
Because HE HAD TRUE FAITH in THE ONE TRUE GOD .
All the lip service in the world means naught if we are a partaker and co helper and supporter
of a peace and a covenant that be of many anti christs and by its peace , by its int erfaith interreligious dialgoue
has absolutey confirmed a LIE and made void the dire necessity to have to believe on JESUS .
Now we need to know The peace of GOD . THAT be the gospel , that if one beleives on JESUS
he is reconciled to GOD and has peace with GOD .
But do you think anti christ peace does that . NO SIR
IT cometh to simply gather them all as one for to attain peace
and yet within its plan it has DENIED the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
It is time dan . Oh it is time and high time we abandoned all hope in men
and their peace plan . Let us focus on preaching Christ .
And as for Israel , behold the land . behold Tel aviv
behold the nation state and its declarations of its upmost support of PRIDE .
BEHOLD what they do . The largest pride event in the middle east is running its course
even as we speak . THEY dance and cheer in the coasts of the dead sea
In a location that many now beleive was once Sodom and Gomorrah
and with fists of rebellion they PRAISE THEIR PRIDE and REBELLION .
The inclusive god will not rest till he has gathered all
under his inclusive interfaith plan . And he sure do know how to lie and to seduce .
This peace plan IS T OTAL bad news and we need to get f ar from it .
Marvelloustime
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amigo de christo
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IT is as a whited sepulchre indeed . Within its chambers are the dead
and those who enter into covenant with it have entered into a covenant of death .
It has deprived many souls of salvation . Let us simply cling to the scriptures and follow Christ .
amigo de christo
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Go too and behold what the nation state of israel has made very clear it supports .
Go too and behold what even the nations now support
GO to and behold what more and more churches even now support .
The inclusive god has been real busy with many co workers and helpers .
And by means of a sensual love , by means of a judge not correct not ,
by means of lets overlook our differences ,
by means o seeker friendly . LOOK what has taken over . Evil did .
Rebellion skyrockets as pride reigns in many hearts and lands .
And this generation in large , has no idea
what caused This sodom , this gomorrah to become ash .
NO we see the largest pride event , Honored and state supported by EVEN ISRAEL
going on as they dance in upmost mockery around the dead sea .
As they dance in rebellion and mockery to GOD around where perhaps even Sodom and Gomorrah once stood .
AS IF to say , A HA , A HA . Folks we should never have abandonded the scrips
in favor of what THEY SAID was LOVE and CLIAMED was of GOD . cause it was not the love of GOD , NOR OF GOD .
And it has led them into g reater and greater rebellion against THE ONE TRUE GOD and HIS CHRIST who actually
COULD have saved them .
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