NOTES ON THE BIBLE

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From I Corinthians 15: "For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received; that Messiah died for our sins according to the scriptures and, that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures and, that He was seen by Cephas [Peter], then by the twelve. After that he was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. Then last of all he was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time."

"Christ", as found in most modern bibles, in the Greek is christo, meaning "Messiah", the "anointed one". Some critics claim that Paul's letters were written before the Jesus story existed, which makes no historical or other sense based on this from I Corinthians and also several other references to the story made by Paul elsewhere.

As the very learned historian Will Durant concluded, it is historically irrational to claim that Jesus didn't exist or, to claim that the words and deeds of Jesus recorded in the New Testament are a later invention. According to Durant, the words of Jesus alone represent a highly advanced mind, far greater than any other mind known to history. Thus, to pretend someone else invented them is self-defeating, while ignoring the obvious.

Jesus, as quoted by Paul in I Corinthians 11:23-25: "For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which he was betrayed took bread and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, take, eat; this is my body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of me.' In the same manner he also took the cup after supper, saying, 'this cup is the new covenant in my blood; this do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.'"

Note that Jesus says "new covenant", not new testament, though some may contend that "testament" is 16th Century English for covenant. The common terms "Old Testament" and "New Testament" are used throughout this writing for clarity. However, it is important to understand that the correct terms are "Old Covenant" and "New Covenant" (meaning solemn binding contract). Paul refers to the reading of the Old Covenant in II Corinthians 3:14, while many modern bibles translate this verse as Old Testament. Significant differences between the old and new covenant are explained in more detail further below.

From Britannica, ancient Egypt: "One of the inscriptions concludes with a poem of victory (written about another battle), famous for its words 'Israel is desolated and has no seed.' This is the earliest documented mention of Israel outside of the Old Testament (Pharaoh Merneptah; 1213 to 1203 BC)."

It is generally assumed that the exodus of the Jews from Egypt took place under Ramses II, although recent research indicates more likely Amenhotep II. While most historians today claim the pyramids were built by free laborers, it may be true they were built by both slaves and free laborers. This does not mean Hebrew slaves worked on them, but they may have worked on other structures.

Many historians today agree that the historical information found in the Old Testament is more trustworthy than what is called the 'history' of Egypt, Babylonia and other cultures mentioned in the Hebrew record; such cultures tended to exaggerate accomplishments while downplaying and even entirely eliminating battle losses and other negative information.

The Old Testament on the other hand, includes battle victories and defeats, while stressing both positive and negative actions of various leaders and other key people. Such are the hallmarks of real history.
 
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It seems that the notes on the Bible require $signs but placed between the pages so that they do not blow away in the breeze of expressed misunderstandings and truth.
 

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It seems that the notes on the Bible require $signs but placed between the pages so that they do not blow away in the breeze of expressed misunderstandings and truth.
I have many more notes collected, but I didn't want to post a book or lengthy article, as that tends to make people angry. You can find a lot more info I've collected about the Bible here: Freedom Tracks Records - Nashville, Tennessee
 
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I have many more notes collected, but I didn't want to post a book or lengthy article, as that tends to make people angry. You can find a lot more info I've collected about the Bible here: Freedom Tracks Records - Nashville, Tennessee

Collecting a lot of information about the bible does not mean that one can actually understand their context revealed in the Scriptures.

I noted that you stated that Abram left Haran after his father had died before he left Haran and travelled down towards the land of Canaan, but the Book of Genesis suggests that Terrah died some sixty or so years after Abram had left Haran and the facts as recorded in the Book of Genesis is that the only patriarch who died while Abram was living in Haran was Noah who died when Abram was around 59 years of age, some 15 or so years before Abram left Haran when he was 75 years old.

The chronology that I have researched suggests that Abraham was born in the years 2,152 BC and that Isaac was born in the year 2,052 BC, around 2049 years after the creation of Adam at the very beginning of the third age of mankind.

Yes, you have presented many interesting facts and much information but our respective biases in compiling these facts and information often leads to misinformation being presented because of our lack of understanding what it is that we have before us.

I too have found that I have had to correct my understanding of what I have read and put into presentations and articles because I had misrepresented what I have read and heard.

I wish you well as you continue to massage God's truth into what you present in your notes.

Shalom
 

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I have many more notes collected, but I didn't want to post a book or lengthy article, as that tends to make people angry. You can find a lot more info I've collected about the Bible here: Freedom Tracks Records - Nashville, Tennessee
I don't like lengthy posts because I don't see as well now. I don't get angry but I do tend to skim lengthy posts and some I don't read at all.
 

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Collecting a lot of information about the bible does not mean that one can actually understand their context revealed in the Scriptures.

I noted that you stated that Abram left Haran after his father had died before he left Haran and travelled down towards the land of Canaan, but the Book of Genesis suggests that Terrah died some sixty or so years after Abram had left Haran and the facts as recorded in the Book of Genesis is that the only patriarch who died while Abram was living in Haran was Noah who died when Abram was around 59 years of age, some 15 or so years before Abram left Haran when he was 75 years old.

The chronology that I have researched suggests that Abraham was born in the years 2,152 BC and that Isaac was born in the year 2,052 BC, around 2049 years after the creation of Adam at the very beginning of the third age of mankind.

Yes, you have presented many interesting facts and much information but our respective biases in compiling these facts and information often leads to misinformation being presented because of our lack of understanding what it is that we have before us.

I too have found that I have had to correct my understanding of what I have read and put into presentations and articles because I had misrepresented what I have read and heard.

I wish you well as you continue to massage God's truth into what you present in your notes.

Shalom
From Bible Hub: While in Haran, Abram continued to live with his family, including his wife Sarai and his nephew Lot. The Bible notes that Terah, Abram's father, lived to the age of 205 and died in Haran (Genesis 11:32).

I figure Abram being born around 1900 BC, but I'm not going to argue about it.

I go to significant length to teach people the truth. Of course I'm just human and don't know everything and, neither do you. According to Genesis, Abram's father died in Haran--Apparently, Abram was there for a number of years before moving on. He was named Abraham by God later after he had arrived in Canaan.

Abraham was a great man, but he also had his faults, as we all do.
 

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Please note that the source for all year dates, was taken from scripture
This is what you wrote in your linked Biblical Notes: -

ABRAHAM: A city called Haran is mentioned in the travels of Abram (later named Abraham by God), a man who came from the region of Ur, a well-documented ancient Mesopotamian city. Historians have identified Haran, where Abram's father died, in modern-day Turkey; Abram later continues his journey to a land of promise, which later became known as Palestine.
The "promised land" was named "Palestine" first by the Greeks and continued to be called the same by the Romans during the lifetime of Jesus. A discovery in Egypt, where Abraham sojourned for a while, might indeed portray the actual Abraham; the evidence is not historically conclusive, yet it is compelling: Evidence for Abraham.​


Perhaps your notes are confusing on when Abraham actually left Haran. It was around the year 2079 BC, i.e. the year 2151 BC + another 75 years, while the Scriptures clearly indicate that Terah died around the years 2016 BC some 60 or so years later.

Now I do accept that there may be some errors and omissions in what I post, however when people point out possible errors or omissions, I welcome their input when they back up their information with facts.

Going on the evidence in the video you linked too, the record suggests that it is more likely associated with the Midianites journey down to Egypt when they took Joseph down there to sell him as a slave. The dates presented in that video seem to suggest that possibility.

Shalom
 
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The Bible says that Abram's father died in Haran. "Genesis 11:32 "So the days of Terah were two hundred and five years, and Terah died in Haran." I don't believe anyone knows the exact dates of Abraham or anyone else in Genesis.

I'm not going to debate with you against what Genesis clearly says.
 

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The Bible says that Abram's father died in Haran. "Genesis 11:32 "So the days of Terah were two hundred and five years, and Terah died in Haran." I don't believe anyone knows the exact dates of Abraham or anyone else in Genesis.

I'm not going to debate with you against what Genesis clearly says.

Now I am not disagreeing with you that Terah lived until he was 205 years old, but your statement that Abraham left Haran after Terah died is not what is found in the scriptures if one examines the scriptures carefully.

Your statement in your linked Bible Notes page is not true when you state this:

"where Abram's father died, in modern-day Turkey; Abram later continues his journey to a land of promise, which later became known as Palestine."

Now I have noticed that I erred in my maths over when Abraham left Haran, by using the timeline from when Adam was created and labelling that number with BC instead of AA {After Adam was created}. If instead I had stated Isaac was born around the year 2052 BC then I would have been also correct if I had said that Abraham had left Haran around the year 2076 BC. I have now gone back and corrected that error in my post above.

In the table in my post above I have suggested that Terah died around the year 2016 BC.

Any errors that we make in what we publish undoes the authority that we may have assumed when we published our "facts." I have corrected my error. Are you going to correct the error that you have made?

Shalom
 
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