Cain & Able and Marxism

Bob · Friday at 5:36 PM

Recent post by Jordan Peterson:

”Marxism is nothing more or less than the current instantiation of a much more ancient evil: possession by the envious and hateful spirit that drove Cain to murder his brother Abel.

“The great book of Genesis thus portrays mankind as riven by an eternal fratricidal conflict.

“Those who reject genuine sacrifice become embittered by their subsequent failure ("rejection by God"). Instead of repenting and changing, they turn to revenge.

“And whom do they target? Those who strive to do well and offer what is best.

“I can't believe how much wisdom the author of Genesis 4 compressed into that story's few sentences. You might even come to believe that God Himself had a hand in it.

“Truly: it's uncanny. The first two human beings born into history are, respectively, a good, honest productive man and his brother, who allows himself to be consumed by resentment and the desire to destroy. “

Blessings

MostlyConfused · Saturday at 8:32 PM

Wow. That's pretty deep examination of human nature. My sister recently got quite mad at me for rejecting her "my truth/your truth" jumble. It was as if she believed me to be attacking her in some way by my non-acceptance of her idea. I was fine with her thinking it was valid and truthful but she was not fine with me NOT thinking it was valid and truthful. I have a vague suspicion that it fits in somehow to what you posted.

I've heard of that man on YouTube and have seen some sort of biblical series he has. I'm really going to have to listen to it now.

Bob · Saturday at 9:02 PM

MostlyConfused said:
Wow. That's pretty deep examination of human nature. My sister recently got quite mad at me for rejecting her "my truth/your truth" jumble. It was as if she believed me to be attacking her in some way by my non-acceptance of her idea. I was fine with her thinking it was valid and truthful but she was not fine with me NOT thinking it was valid and truthful. I have a vague suspicion that it fits in somehow to what you posted.

I've heard of that man on YouTube and have seen some sort of biblical series he has. I'm really going to have to listen to it now.

Thanks.

Maintaining a respectful, calm demeanor when conversing with diametrically opposed others is a good exercise for a Christian.
You might never persuade them, but you know that Jesus will be ever pleased with your approach.

Dennis Prager tells of a penetrating question to ask an atheist: “Do you hope you are right that there is no heaven where we can be united with deceased loved ones, or do you hope you are wrong.“

Blessings.

MostlyConfused · Saturday at 9:50 PM

I am able to keep calm and respectful around her. I don’t have any need to try convince her I am right and she is wrong. She is the one who gets mad and I assume it’s because I won’t confirm her or agree that what she says is right. I can beg her to let’s just drop it but she gets so furious that I don’t think what she says is true that she flies into a rage at me that makes me certain she wants to kill me! And now that I’m thinking about it, that’s been the last years in the whole country, people getting angry if you don’t agree with them. I really do think it all fits in to your post. I also wonder if we Christians need to learn that it would be better to sometimes stay silent unless God opens our mouth and learn to recognize when we are being baited and set up.

Bob · Sunday at 7:39 AM

MostlyConfused said:
I am able to keep calm and respectful around her. I don’t have any need to try convince her I am right and she is wrong. She is the one who gets mad and I assume it’s because I won’t confirm her or agree that what she says is right. I can beg her to let’s just drop it but she gets so furious that I don’t think what she says is true that she flies into a rage at me that makes me certain she wants to kill me! And now that I’m thinking about it, that’s been the last years in the whole country, people getting angry if you don’t agree with them. I really do think it all fits in to your post. I also wonder if we Christians need to learn that it would be better to sometimes stay silent unless God opens our mouth and learn to recognize when we are being baited and set up.

You are doing the right thing.

But we also know that Christians put themselves at risk when people who oppose the message threaten them. The Book of Acts has examples from the very first Christians. We also know that Jesus moved His ministry when bodily threatened (until God instructed Him to take a stand and lay down His life.)

It is reasonable to avoid topics which enrage your sister, who is now set in her ways. (In the play “My Fair Lady” it is suggested to be prudent by discussing only the weather or one’s health!)

It is good to pray to God for advice on what to do in different situations.

Blessings.

Luther7 · Sunday at 12:04 PM

Bob said:
Recent post by Jordan Peterson:

”Marxism is nothing more or less than the current instantiation of a much more ancient evil: possession by the envious and hateful spirit that drove Cain to murder his brother Abel.

“The great book of Genesis thus portrays mankind as riven by an eternal fratricidal conflict.

“Those who reject genuine sacrifice become embittered by their subsequent failure ("rejection by God"). Instead of repenting and changing, they turn to revenge.

“And whom do they target? Those who strive to do well and offer what is best.

“I can't believe how much wisdom the author of Genesis 4 compressed into that story's few sentences. You might even come to believe that God Himself had a hand in it.

“Truly: it's uncanny. The first two human beings born into history are, respectively, a good, honest productive man and his brother, who allows himself to be consumed by resentment and the desire to destroy. “

Blessings

I may not always agree with JP but this is a very true statement. It's almost cryptic how he wrote it, because literally we have Christians and the ones who want nothing more to do than destroy Christianity. Karl Marx, the inventor of Communism ( or cultural Marxism in the U.S), was a jew. His real name was Moses Mordecai Levi, and he came from a prominent family of rabbis. He patterned his ideology after judaism, for the precepts are pretty much one in the same. Mostly all of the communist influence in the early 1900's came from Ashkenazi jews who gained power in Russia and formed BOLSHEVISM. This truly was what Germany was fighting against, as it became a cancer to their way of life. They obviously saw what happened to Russia (renamed the Soviet Union after the Bolsheviks took over) and needed to do something or else become completely overtaken by the communists.

So to me, Cain is alive and well.

Anchorite · Sunday at 12:45 PM

Cain & Abel & Manifest Destiny

Manifest Destiny was a 19th-century American ideology that held that the United States was divinely ordained to expand its borders across the North American continent to the Pacific Ocean. The belief was used to justify westward expansion, the displacement and genocide of Indigenous populations, and the annexation of new territories.

Manifest Destiny was used to justify the forced removal of native Americans in Indigenous nations, such as the policies outlined in the Indian Removal Act of 1830. This led to devastating conflicts, loss of ancestral lands, brutal mistreatment of Native American, Hispanic and other non-European occupants of the territories now being occupied by the United States, and mass casualties among Native tribes.

Anchorite · Sunday at 1:02 PM

Luther7 said:
Karl Marx, the inventor of Communism ( or cultural Marxism in the U.S), was a jew. His real name was Moses Mordecai Levi, and he came from a prominent family of rabbis. He patterned his ideology after judaism, for the precepts are pretty much one in the same.

In various online discussions, claims are occasionally made that Marx was born with the exact name "Moses Mordecai Levi" or "Moses Mordecai Marx Levy". However, Karl Marx’s actual birth name was Karl Heinrich Marx. While his paternal grandfather, Mordechai Levi, was the Chief Rabbi of Trier, Karl Marx did not go by Moses Mordecai.

Sassy Brat · Sunday at 1:08 PM

MostlyConfused said:
Wow. That's pretty deep examination of human nature. My sister recently got quite mad at me for rejecting her "my truth/your truth" jumble. It was as if she believed me to be attacking her in some way by my non-acceptance of her idea. I was fine with her thinking it was valid and truthful but she was not fine with me NOT thinking it was valid and truthful. I have a vague suspicion that it fits in somehow to what you posted.

I've heard of that man on YouTube and have seen some sort of biblical series he has. I'm really going to have to listen to it now.

He’s has a great mind! He’s genius level imo! I sometimes can’t understand what Jordan’s saying bc it’s so over my head in the way he explains.. but I’ve noticed more recently I can understand him better now, either I’m getting wiser or God is showing me! I’ll give God credit! Bc any wisdom in me is directly from above!

Sassy Brat · Sunday at 1:16 PM

Anchorite said:
Cain & Abel & Manifest Destiny

Manifest Destiny was a 19th-century American ideology that held that the United States was divinely ordained to expand its borders across the North American continent to the Pacific Ocean. The belief was used to justify westward expansion, the displacement and genocide of Indigenous populations, and the annexation of new territories.

Manifest Destiny was used to justify the forced removal of native Americans in Indigenous nations, such as the policies outlined in the Indian Removal Act of 1830. This led to devastating conflicts, loss of ancestral lands, brutal mistreatment of Native American, Hispanic and other non-European occupants of the territories now being occupied by the United States, and mass casualties among Native tribes.

So you hate America? ‍

All lands were conquered, not just America! Even Israel Gods chosen land was conquered by God with the Israelites to take Israel as their own bc God was giving it to them! And when they ignored or forgot God too long, they were then conquered… it’s all over the bible! And if you look at history internationally you will see all countries were conquered!

Luther7 · Sunday at 5:38 PM

Anchorite said:
Cain & Abel & Manifest Destiny

Manifest Destiny was a 19th-century American ideology that held that the United States was divinely ordained to expand its borders across the North American continent to the Pacific Ocean. The belief was used to justify westward expansion, the displacement and genocide of Indigenous populations, and the annexation of new territories.

Manifest Destiny was used to justify the forced removal of native Americans in Indigenous nations, such as the policies outlined in the Indian Removal Act of 1830. This led to devastating conflicts, loss of ancestral lands, brutal mistreatment of Native American, Hispanic and other non-European occupants of the territories now being occupied by the United States, and mass casualties among Native tribes.

What is your point?

Luther7 · Sunday at 5:49 PM

Anchorite said:
In various online discussions, claims are occasionally made that Marx was born with the exact name "Moses Mordecai Levi" or "Moses Mordecai Marx Levy". However, Karl Marx’s actual birth name was Karl Heinrich Marx. While his paternal grandfather, Mordechai Levi, was the Chief Rabbi of Trier, Karl Marx did not go by Moses Mordecai.

That's funny because today I'm watching a documentary on jewish Bolshevism and the guy says that his actual name was Heim Hershel Mordecai. Either way, same ethnicity. In fact his name should really be satan because his ideology murdered over 60 million Europeans, not including the two world wars. How many people know this? That over ten times the amount of non- jews were wiped out than that other event we've been taught. Sorry, it's true.
I do appreciate you bringing that to my attention.

Anchorite · Sunday at 5:50 PM

Sassy Brat said:
So you hate America? ‍ All lands were conquered, not just America! Even Israel Gods chosen land was conquered by God with the Israelites to take Israel as their own bc God was giving it to them! And when they ignored or forgot God too long, they were then conquered… it’s all over the bible! And if you look at history internationally you will see all countries were conquered!

I hate breaking treaties, stealing land, and genocide. So genocide is okay if everybody’s doing it?

Anchorite · Sunday at 5:51 PM

Luther7 said:
What is your point?

Mammonism can be as evil as Marxism.

Luther7 · Sunday at 8:44 PM

Anchorite said:
Mammonism can be as evil as Marxism.

I mean both aren't good but Marxism involves a whole nation of people.

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