Daniel 9:25 - the messiah the prince

IndianaRob · 2026-07-30T17:15:08-0500

covenantee said:
Grammar's rules are objective. Interpretation is subjective. Grammar's rules should be applied first, to maximize the probability of correct interpretation.

Fair enough on grammar, and I'm not brushing it aside. But let me show you what I mean by interpretation, because it isn't guesswork — it's not me making the text say whatever I want it to say.

I know you're talking about verse 26, but I'm using verse 27 to show how interpretation settles a point that grammar can't. My point all along has been that the person there is Christ, and here's why.

The Bible never mentions “the antichrist” making a covenant with many, or with anybody? You can't confirm something that was never made in the first place.

Did Jesus make a covenant with many? Yes.

Did Jesus' death cause the sacrifices to cease? Yes.

So when I get to that "he," I'm not guessing. Everything the verse describes is something Christ actually did. Why would I read it as anyone else?

Grammar can't prove it. That can.

covenantee · 2026-07-30T17:42:48-0500

IndianaRob said:
Fair enough on grammar, and I'm not brushing it aside. But let me show you what I mean by interpretation, because it isn't guesswork — it's not me making the text say whatever I want it to say.

I know you're talking about verse 26, but I'm using verse 27 to show how interpretation settles a point that grammar can't. My point all along has been that the person there is Christ, and here's why.

The Bible never mentions “the antichrist” making a covenant with many, or with anybody? You can't confirm something that was never made in the first place.

Did Jesus make a covenant with many? Yes.

Did Jesus' death cause the sacrifices to cease? Yes.

So when I get to that "he," I'm not guessing. Everything the verse describes is something Christ actually did. Why would I read it as anyone else?

Grammar can't prove it. That can.

History proves it, and grammar proves it because the grammatical referent/antecedent of "he" is Messiah the Prince.

Spiritual Israelite · 2026-07-30T17:44:44-0500

TribulationSigns said:
Say the natural man like the disciples before they were enlightened by the Holy Spirit.

Figures that this is all you could come up with as a response. LOL.

Spiritual Israelite · 2026-07-30T17:46:40-0500

TribulationSigns said:
Wrong Jews. Wrong Judea. Wrong City. Wrong Temple. Spiritual Discerned.

Another lame response. You know you have NOTHING, so you respond with NOTHING. Nowhere in scripture does it ever refer to a spiritual Judea. A heavenly Jerusalem, yes. But, that's not Judea. Thankfully, the Christians in earthly Judea didn't spiritualize everything like you do and they heeded Jesus's warning and fled to the mountains to avoid God's wrath that came upon the Jews in Judea and within Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Spiritual Israelite · 2026-07-30T17:50:42-0500

grafted branch said:
To me it seems that @TribulationSigns thinks if you spiritualize it’s the best way to interpret and if it causes contradiction with other scripture you just keep changing spiritual meanings until it works. But, whatever verses lead him to that conclusion most likely weren’t spiritualized in the first place, which would contradict his own hermeneutics.

Right. It's like a domino effect for him. Once he started spiritualizing the temple referenced in Matthew 24:1-2/Mark 13:1-2/Luke 21:5-6, he had to spiritualize Matthew 24:15-22/Mark 13:14-20/Luke 21:20-24 to avoid creating contradictions and then he just keeps spiritualizing almost every verse he comes across.

IndianaRob · 2026-07-30T18:31:45-0500

covenantee said:
History proves it, and grammar proves it because the grammatical referent/antecedent of "he" is Messiah the Prince.

I want argue that, that’s a side issue. The important part is that verse 27 is Jesus.

IndianaRob · 2026-07-30T18:57:36-0500

amigo de christo said:
Allow me to remind you of something you probably already know , or maybe dont know .
Have you ever wondered why on earth we have so many end time t heologies
and yet they confused .
Allow me to show you what GOD told me the very day i first began to get on the computer .
Now this was after ab out five years of bible reading daily .
I got a free computer . So i decided hey i wanna go see if i can find me some christains on the computer .
SO i found a site . I went on . And over the next few weeks
i seen t eachings all over the place that not only had i never seen or heard of
BU TTHEY all were off in their theologies and their end time propheices .
SO then it was i suddenly thought HOW on earth is this possible .
THEN a real small voice pricked my conscious with a question and a statment .
And it said , THE reason this is that they cannot graps the truth and teach contradictions
IS because they ALREADY have omitted some of the basic teachings of What JESUS taught .
SO i then began to remind them of many things JESUS had said .
AND YOU KNOW what , that small voice was RIGHT . THEY made reason for why they did not
keep such things . One said this , another said that .
IT became plain as day , THE REASON they cannot SEE , is because THEY were indoctrinated
by whatever man taught whatever satisifed their own lusts desires . THEY came to another jesus friend .
We need to get people back into the bible to learn all things JESUS did teach
and later the apostels would expound upon in their letters to them churches .
SEE exactly what JESUS or jesus we been loving on all along . was it of men that omitted some of his teachings
in favor of their own d esires , OR is it the WORDS of THE ONE TRUE JESUS we been loving all along .

That's true, and another reason is because they won't accept weeks as weeks. Daniel is hard to figure out so most people hit the commentaries and books which sways them into a very specific direction instead of being patient and letting God reveal it to them in the Bible.

They think,or in my opinion have been taught, that the prophecy is about fixing the temple to the timing of Jesus. But what it's actually about is the end of earthly Jerusalem, the Old Covenant, and the law, and the beginning of heavenly Jerusalem.

David in NJ · 2026-07-30T21:11:52-0500

jeffweeder said:
If one is fulfilled, then they all are. All in 70 weeks.

not so

TribulationSigns · 2026-07-30T23:08:13-0500

CTK said:
I would ask that you go back and read post # 175 and #176. And should you like to do some further research on you own, I would recommend you take these four verses in 24 -27 and prepare your own chiasitic structure. You will definitely find it can only be interpreted one way.

I already explained verses many times. You guys dont like hearing this. No spiritual ears.

Truth7t7 · 2026-07-31T00:09:09-0500

Spiritual Israelite said:
Thankfully, the Christians in earthly Judea didn't spiritualize everything like you do and they heeded Jesus's warning and fled to the mountains to avoid God's wrath that came upon the Jews in Judea and within Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Reformed Preterism In 70AD fulfillment is "False"

Daniel's AOD Matt 24:15, Those fleeing to the mountains Matt 24:16, and The Great Tribulation Matt 24:21 are future events unfulfilled

Jesus Is The Lord

jeffweeder · 2026-07-31T02:35:41-0500

David in NJ said:
not so

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

7 and 62 weeks until the Messiah arrives,

1 week left for Messiah to bear fruit and fulfill v24.

He completed the work God sent him to do. Jn 17.

25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years];

Anointed at his baptism to begin his ministry of reconciliation

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