Which is worse, murder or eternal torture?

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PeterAndroz

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Yes. The Messiah knows me like he knows the back of his hand.
Die during sin does not equal lost which confirms the Gospel & conditions taught by Paul
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 = saved and HS sealed
Titu 3:5-7, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:28, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1 = performance requirements > none
 

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Somehow you die during a sinful moment/episode & did not have time to repent.
Are you still saved ?
Yes, as long as your trust and faith is in the fact that Jesus Christ came and did what you could not do ...and He gave His life blood as the perfect sacrifice for your sins, and that nothing you did or can ever do will earn your salvation ....yes, you're still saved. Why? Because your faith is in what Jesus did and not in what you can do.

1 John 2:1
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:”
 

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Yes, as long as your trust and faith is in the fact that Jesus Christ came and did what you could not do ...and He gave His life blood as the perfect sacrifice for your sins, and that nothing you did or can ever do will earn your salvation ....yes, you're still saved. Why? Because your faith is in what Jesus did and not in what you can do.

1 John 2:1
“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:”
At least we are on the same planet regarding how Salvation is achieved.
 

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Lot's of strawman arguments when it comes to hell. There's a difference between being tortured and being tormented. Being tortured implies someone (God\Jesus) is doing the torturing, which isn't supported by Scripture. Being tormented is merely the consequence of something else. In this case, it's the end result of one's choices in this life.
 
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So in other words I have NO choice.
It's basically blackmail?
It's God's creation so he sets the rules; it is His way or the highway (to Hell).

FWIW, I reject ECT, eternal conscious torment as unbiblical. The fire burns eternally but the damned are annihilated, which is why they call it 2nd death. Somehow people got the idea that there is eternal suffering.
 
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Can someone who's found Jesus please ask him for me.

Was Jesus missing???


why would he be prepared to torture somebody for eternity?

He's not causing people to be tortured for eternity - those that reject the Lord cause themselves to receive satan's reward by following satan.

Everything produces after it's own kind according to Genesis, so those that reject the Lord who walk with satan will get satan's reward.
 

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Everything produces after it's own kind according to Genesis, so those that reject the Lord who walk with satan will get satan's reward.
Satan's "reward", or punishment, is death. Matthew 25:41 WEB:

(41) Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels;​

Hebrews 2:14 KJV:
(14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he {Jesus} also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;​
 

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It is for the Lord as this is how He decided to deal with all those who chose to reject Him aligning themselves with satan

Since the Lord is happy with how He decided to deal with these nutjobs, I'm happy too.

The smart ones align themselves with the Lord... the slow ones rebel against the Lord which is what their daddy the devil does.
 

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It is for the Lord as this is how He decided to deal with all those who chose to reject Him aligning themselves with satan

Since the Lord is happy with how He decided to deal with these nutjobs, I'm happy too.

The smart ones align themselves with the Lord... the slow ones rebel against the Lord which is what their daddy the devil does.
Yeah you sound really smart lol.
Maybe if you try to read something other than the Bible (there are some really good none fiction books out there) you'd realise that your daddy doesn't exist.