When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?

William Barton said:

Adam is called son of God. Is Adam an angel?

Genesis 6:1-4, are these sons of God angels marrying women?

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Who were the "sons of God" here...

Job 38:4-7
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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Job 1:6-7
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, 'Whence comest thou?' Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, 'From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.'
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William Barton said:

Angels, cherubim, people were all created by God, hence all are sons/offspring of God in that respect.

Job 38:7 "sons of God" is angels and cherubim.

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That's right, the "sons of God" there is put for angels. So are ALL... Old Testament cases of that phrase "sons of God", INCLUDING in the Genesis 6 Chapter about Noah's day.

Starting in John 1, those who have accepted Jesus Christ are now given the power to become the "sons of God". (John 1:12). How is that meant in contrast to the Old Testament angels as the "sons of God"?

Have you never read where Jesus said those of the resurrection are as the angels of God in Heaven?

Matt 22:29-30
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
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You're not understanding what that "sons of God" title actually means. You are trying to treat it like a heavenly SPECIE being. That title simply is to point to the HEAVENLY STATE. That is why Lord Jesus continued to define it with the following...

Matt 22:31-32
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
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William Barton said:

Davy noted:
<destroy body and soul>

Someone who suffers that is dead and gone. But the Spirit remains.
At the last judgment anyone not in the book gets fried (Revelation 29:15).

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Much easier than that. Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 reveals our flesh goes back to the earthly elements where it came from, but our spirit... goes back to God Who gave it. That is talking about TWO SEPARATE DIMENSIONS, the earthly one contrasted to the heavenly one.

Those who do not understand that we also have another body dwelling inside our flesh, a spirit body, do not really understand what heaven is actually about.

William Barton said:

IMO:
o. God is spirit (John 4:24).
o. This universe is the work of God (Genesis 1:1).
o. Plants, animals, people are the work of God (Genesis 1:20-31).
o. This universe will eventually be disposed and replaced (Revelation 21:1).
o. We are actors in a play:

"All that world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players."
(Shakespeare, As You Like It, Act III, Scene I, 143-144).

God is not part of the universe, rather God created the universe (Genesis 1:1). It will be disposed and replaced (Revelation chapters 21, 22).

It's in the Book.

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You skirted my question.

I asked, in what TYPE of realm or abode was God and the angels in, prior to the creation of material matter and the earth? That includes before He created the whole universe too.

Since you agree with John 4:24 that "God is a Spirit", that should have been easy for you to answer.

William Barton said:

IMO:
o. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)
o. "Heavens and earth" = our universe
o. Hence before that creation by God there was no universe.
o. It is difficult for us to comprehend the enormity of God.
o. That is why you ask where in space was God.
o. God created the universe=heavens=space, God does not dwell in it.
o. Last two chapters of Revelation describe new heavens and earth.
o. Heaven is another dimension that was created by God for the angels.

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You skirted my question again, and it's easy to know why. You just don't know enough of your Bible to be able to give an answer. So why don't you say you just... don't... know?


The ANSWER:
Per Hebrews 11:3, it says through Faith the worlds were framed by The Word of God, which means God spoke and His Word came to pass, immediately. Then it continues and tells us so that things that are seen were not made of things which do appear.

a. That last phrase is stating that material matter (i.e., the universe) did NOT create itself.

b. That means that something OUTSIDE THE REALM of material matter created the universe of matter. Modern science agrees with this, for one of the basic laws of thermodynamics is the fact that matter today can neither be created nor destroyed, but only change its state (solid, liquid, gas, vapor). Only God can destroy material matter.

c. That something is GOD Who created material matter. His Abode we are shown is in Heaven, another dimension which His Word describes. Yet Genesis 2 reveals He at one time dwelt upon this literal earth, with His Garden of Eden on this earth, and His River of the Waters of Life, and the Tree of Life. Revelation 21 & 22 reveals He is coming back and is going to return this earth to that previous state with His Eden upon this earth.

d. God is a Spirit, Apostle John said in John 4:24. This means God is NOT MADE OF MATERIAL MATTER. Even though He created man in His Own Image outer Likeness, He is still not made up of material matter.

e. This then means material matter was created from... the realm of SPIRIT.

f. That then means only the realm of SPIRIT originally existed with GOD, WITHOUT material matter having yet been created.

g. The angels ("sons of God") were present and shouted for joy when God laid the foundation of this earth (i.e., made His creation; Job 38). That means God had already created the angels before He created material matter (i.e., the universe).

h. Per Isaiah 45:18, God said He did NOT create the earth in vain. That "in vain" phrase is the same Hebrew word tohuw translated as "without form" in Genesis 1:2, and in Jeremiah 4.

Truth7t7 said:

Your claim is "False" (The Son's Of God) as seen in the entire Holy Bible are those led by Gods Spirit, as seen in Genesis 6:2 below (The Son's Of God) married women upon this earth, and as Matthew 22:30 clearly teaches (Angels Of God) don't marry women

Genesis 6:2KJV
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them
wives of all which they chose.

Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

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So flesh people appeared with Satan in Heaven before God's Throne???

Job 1:6-7
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the LORD said unto Satan, "Whence comest thou?" Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
KJV


The "sons of God" phrase is about the angelic heavenly state. When Jesus returns, all in the flesh will put on a body of incorruption, a spirit body like the angels in heaven. It is the body type of the resurrection, and of the future world to come in Christ Jesus. You really need to study your Bible more.

Matt 22:30
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
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William Barton said:

Satan was thrown down in the time of Adam and Eve. It was Satan, speaking through the serpent, who deceived Eve (Revelation 12:9).

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No, it was before Adam and Eve.

Satan, which means Adversary, was already in his role as the adversary by the time God created Adam. That means he had already fallen before that at some point.