When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?

[Truth7t7]

Believe what you want, but I think when the time comes, and you are still here, you will remember what I showed you. No doubt God will cause you to remember that Rev.12 event that is for our near future.

Revelation 12 in Satan/Devil with his angels being cast out of heaven to earth, has been fulfilled long ago

1 Peter 5:8KJV
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

[William Barton]

But demons, familiar spirits, fallen angels (other than those of Gen.6), are all the same type of spirits. The fallen angels of Gen.6 are kept in Tartaroo (deepest part of the abyss) in chains, until the Great Day of God's Judgment (Jude 6).

Types of living, intelligent creatures consists of:
o. In heaven there are cherubim and angels (Satan is a cherub).
o. On earth there are animals and people.

"Demon, angel, spirit" are synonyms, they abide in heaven.

Satan (a cherub) and his angels were subsequently thrown to earth (Ezekiel 28:14-16, 1Peter 5:8).

It was Satan speaking through the serpent who deceived Eve (Revelation 20:2).

 

[William Barton]

Davy noted that "sons of God" are angels.

Adam is called the son of God (Luke 3:38). Is Adam an angel?

Genesis 6:1-4, are these sons of God angels, that are marrying women?

 

[Davy]

Adam is called son of God. Is Adam an angel?

Genesis 6:1-4, are these sons of God angels marrying women?

Who were the "sons of God" here...

Job 38:4-7
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
KJV

Job 1:6-7
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, 'Whence comest thou?' Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, 'From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.'
KJV

 

[William Barton]

Who were the "sons of God" here...

Job 38:4-7
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
KJV

Job 1:6-7
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, 'Whence comest thou?' Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, 'From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.'
KJV

o. Sons of God = beings, intelligent and created by God.
o. Those intelligent in heaven are angels and cherubim.
o. They shouted for joy when our universe was created (Job 38 :7 )
o. Those on earth are people.
o. "Earth" stems from Middle English erthe = "ground, soil."

That of course is error, because God's Word speaks of ONLY TWO different dimensions of existence, this earthly one we live in, and the Heavenly one where the abode of God and the angels is, which includes the abode of hell. Jesus showed this in Luke 16 with the story of Lazarus and the rich man. You both are only following an OLD JEWISH TRADITION.

Davy noted:
<abode of God...includes the abode of hell>

Bible noted:
Then I saw an angel coming *down from heaven,* holding in his hand the key of the *bottomless pit* and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years were ended."

"Bottomless pit" = "deep hole in the earth," where Satan will reside for 1000 years, after the return of Jesus.

"Sky" and "pit" seem to me like two different places.
Sky is up, pit is down.

 

[William Barton]

Who were the sons of God here?

o. "Sons of God" (Job 38:7) = beings in heaven created by God.
o. These are angels and cherubim.
o. Our universe was created after they were created.
o. Plants and animals on our planet were created first.
o. Plants have a body.
o. Animals were created next.
o. Animals have a body and a soul=intelligence.
o. People in God's image were created next (Genesis 1:27).
o. "God's image = body, soul, spirit.
o. Spirit =communion with God.
o. Currently our spirits are dead due to sinful nature (Ephesians 2:1).

We lost our fellowship with God, but it will be restored. Sin corrupts the sinner and everything associated with him, hence this entire universe must be disposed and replaced (Revelation chapters 21,22).

 

[William Barton]

Those are wild assumptions, not Biblical. So here I go again...

1. Hebrews 4:12 reveals God made us with a spirit, and a soul, and flesh. Each part is a separate part.
2. Per Ecclesiastes 12:5-7, when our flesh body dies, it goes back to the earth where it came from. But our 'spirit' goes back to God Who gave it. This "spirit" of Eccl.12 is about our other body Apostle Paul taught that we also have, per 2 Corinthians 5. It is a spirit body, the "image of the heavenly" Paul also called it in 1 Corinthians 15:49.
3. Per Matthew 10:28, Jesus said to not fear those who can kill our flesh body, but not our soul. That means our 'soul' part continues on with our 'spirit' back to God also when our flesh body dies.
4. Per Matthew 10:28 also, Jesus said to fear The Father Who can destroy BOTH our spirit body and soul in the "lake of fire". Per Revelation 20 that event of destruction of one's soul in the "lake of fire" at the end of Christ's future "thousand years" reign is called the "second death".
5. Per Ecclesiastes 12:5-7, we are also shown about an invisible "silver cord" that keeps our "spirit" part attached to our flesh body. And that "silver cord" is loosed (i.e., severed) at flesh death, allowing the soul with spirit to go back to God. This reveals each part has a separateness, but the soul and spirit are linked together, and leave the flesh body together at flesh death.

Davy noted:
<destroy body and soul>

Someone who suffers that is dead and gone. But the Spirit remains.
At the last judgment anyone not in the book gets fried (Revelation 29:15).

 

[Davy]

Angels, cherubim, people were all created by God, hence all are sons/offspring of God in that respect.

Job 38:7 "sons of God" is angels and cherubim.

That's right, the "sons of God" there is put for angels. So are ALL... Old Testament cases of that phrase "sons of God", INCLUDING in the Genesis 6 Chapter about Noah's day.

Starting in John 1, those who have accepted Jesus Christ are now given the power to become the "sons of God". (John 1:12). How is that meant in contrast to the Old Testament angels as the "sons of God"?

Have you never read where Jesus said those of the resurrection are as the angels of God in Heaven?

Matt 22:29-30
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
KJV

You're not understanding what that "sons of God" title actually means. You are trying to treat it like a heavenly SPECIE being. That title simply is to point to the HEAVENLY STATE. That is why Lord Jesus continued to define it with the following...

Matt 22:31-32
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
KJV

 

[Davy]

Davy noted:
<destroy body and soul>

Someone who suffers that is dead and gone. But the Spirit remains.
At the last judgment anyone not in the book gets fried (Revelation 29:15).

Much easier than that. Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 reveals our flesh goes back to the earthly elements where it came from, but our spirit... goes back to God Who gave it. That is talking about TWO SEPARATE DIMENSIONS, the earthly one contrasted to the heavenly one.

Those who do not understand that we also have another body dwelling inside our flesh, a spirit body, do not really understand what heaven is actually about.

 

[William Barton]

I keep having to remind brethren what Apostle John said in John 4:24, that "God is a Spirit"...

John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.
KJV

In the beginning at Genesis 1:1 then, before God created the earth, we also know per Job 38 that He had already created the angels, as they sang for joy when He created the earth.

So... earth no existed yet at that point prior to Genesis 1:1, where is God and those angels at that time before the laying of the foundations of the earth?

And Hebrews 11:3 reveals that things seen, i.e. material matter, did not create things that do appear, i.e., material objects, earthly objects. Means no earthly dimension yet at that point, or more simply, earthly matter did not exist yet.

In what TYPE of realm or abode was God and the angels in, prior to the creation of material matter and the earth?

IMO:
o. God is spirit (John 4:24).
o. This universe is the work of God (Genesis 1:1).
o. Plants, animals, people are the work of God (Genesis 1:20-31).
o. This universe will eventually be disposed and replaced (Revelation 21:1).
o. We are actors in a play:

"All that world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players."
(Shakespeare, As You Like It, Act III, Scene I, 143-144).

God is not part of the universe, rather God created the universe (Genesis 1:1). It will be disposed and replaced (Revelation chapters 21, 22).

It's in the Book.

 

[Davy]

IMO:
o. God is spirit (John 4:24).
o. This universe is the work of God (Genesis 1:1).
o. Plants, animals, people are the work of God (Genesis 1:20-31).
o. This universe will eventually be disposed and replaced (Revelation 21:1).
o. We are actors in a play:

"All that world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players."
(Shakespeare, As You Like It, Act III, Scene I, 143-144).

God is not part of the universe, rather God created the universe (Genesis 1:1). It will be disposed and replaced (Revelation chapters 21, 22).

It's in the Book.

You skirted my question.

I asked, in what TYPE of realm or abode was God and the angels in, prior to the creation of material matter and the earth? That includes before He created the whole universe too.

Since you agree with John 4:24 that "God is a Spirit", that should have been easy for you to answer.

 

[William Barton]

You skirted my question.

I asked, in what TYPE of realm or abode was God and the angels in, prior to the creation of material matter and the earth? That includes before He created the whole universe too.

Since you agree with John 4:24 that "God is a Spirit", that should have been easy for you to answer.

IMO:
o. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)
o. "Heavens and earth" = our universe
o. Hence before that creation by God there was no universe.
o. It is difficult for us to comprehend the enormity of God.
o. That is why you ask where in space was God.
o. God created the universe=heavens=space, God does not dwell in it.
o. Last two chapters of Revelation describe new heavens and earth.
o. Heaven is another dimension that was created by God for the angels.

 

[Davy]

IMO:
o. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)
o. "Heavens and earth" = our universe
o. Hence before that creation by God there was no universe.
o. It is difficult for us to comprehend the enormity of God.
o. That is why you ask where in space was God.
o. God created the universe=heavens=space, God does not dwell in it.
o. Last two chapters of Revelation describe new heavens and earth.
o. Heaven is another dimension that was created by God for the angels.

You skirted my question again, and it's easy to know why. You just don't know enough of your Bible to be able to give an answer. So why don't you say you just... don't... know?


The ANSWER:
Per Hebrews 11:3, it says through Faith the worlds were framed by The Word of God, which means God spoke and His Word came to pass, immediately. Then it continues and tells us so that things that are seen were not made of things which do appear.

a. That last phrase is stating that material matter (i.e., the universe) did NOT create itself.

b. That means that something OUTSIDE THE REALM of material matter created the universe of matter. Modern science agrees with this, for one of the basic laws of thermodynamics is the fact that matter today can neither be created nor destroyed, but only change its state (solid, liquid, gas, vapor). Only God can destroy material matter.

c. That something is GOD Who created material matter. His Abode we are shown is in Heaven, another dimension which His Word describes. Yet Genesis 2 reveals He at one time dwelt upon this literal earth, with His Garden of Eden on this earth, and His River of the Waters of Life, and the Tree of Life. Revelation 21 & 22 reveals He is coming back and is going to return this earth to that previous state with His Eden upon this earth.

d. God is a Spirit, Apostle John said in John 4:24. This means God is NOT MADE OF MATERIAL MATTER. Even though He created man in His Own Image outer Likeness, He is still not made up of material matter.

e. This then means material matter was created from... the realm of SPIRIT.

f. That then means only the realm of SPIRIT originally existed with GOD, WITHOUT material matter having yet been created.

g. The angels ("sons of God") were present and shouted for joy when God laid the foundation of this earth (i.e., made His creation; Job 38). That means God had already created the angels before He created material matter (i.e., the universe).

h. Per Isaiah 45:18, God said He did NOT create the earth in vain. That "in vain" phrase is the same Hebrew word tohuw translated as "without form" in Genesis 1:2, and in Jeremiah 4.

 

[William Barton]

That's right, the "sons of God" there is put for angels. So are ALL... Old Testament cases of that phrase "sons of God", INCLUDING in the Genesis 6 Chapter about Noah's day.

Starting in John 1, those who have accepted Jesus Christ are now given the power to become the "sons of God". (John 1:12). How is that meant in contrast to the Old Testament angels as the "sons of God"?

Have you never read where Jesus said those of the resurrection are as the angels of God in Heaven?

Matt 22:29-30
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
KJV

You're not understanding what that "sons of God" title actually means. You are trying to treat it like a heavenly SPECIE being. That title simply is to point to the HEAVENLY STATE. That is why Lord Jesus continued to define it with the following...

Matt 22:31-32
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
KJV

Davy noted:
<sons of God are angels>

Bible noted:
<Adam the son of God>
(Luke 3:38)

<sons of God, daughters of men>
(Genesis 6:1-4)

Neither are in heaven.

 

[William Barton]

Davy inquired:
<Who were the sons of God here>

They are angels and cherubim, created before mankind, and they witnessed the creation of our universe. Didn't you get the memo?