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BreadOfLife

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Praying TO a dead or Living human… was Forbidden, but Yet…

“Hail Mary”… “Hail Mary”… “Hail Mary”…
Continual Prayers TO a dead woman.
WHERE us praying to someone "forbidden"??

I know I have to remind you of this abouyt every 6-8 months or so 0 but here goes again . . .


Definition of the word “PRAY”:
erriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb


1: ENTREAT, IMPLORE —often used as a function word in introducing a question, REQUEST, or PLEA<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1:
to make a REQUEST in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

Acts 27:34
"Wherefore I PRAY YOU to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".


Soooo, is Paul "worshipping" anyone here??

“Pray” is legal, juridical language that is STILL used in courts to this day . . .
 

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WHERE is praying to someone "forbidden"??
When it is NOT Taught to Do.

But What IS Taught… ——>

Matt 6:
[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.



Pss 62:
[6] He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.

Matt 5:4
[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Eph 6:
[18] Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;



I know I have to remind you of this abouyt every 6-8 months or so 0 but here goes again . . .
Reminding me what interpretations you learned in catechism and from your Catholic teachers… is a waste of your time and mine.

Read and Learn what the Word of God Teaches.



Definition of the word “PRAY”:
erriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb


1: ENTREAT, IMPLORE —often used as a function word in introducing a question, REQUEST, or PLEA<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1:
to make a REQUEST in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

The KEY Words …to be alert to
Are…FOR and TO… not “prayer”!!!
 
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1 Timothy 2:5
There is One God and one Mediator between God and men; the man Christ Jesus.

No pope can stand between me and my Saviour.
No handmaiden (Mary) can stand between me and my Saviour.
No priest can stand between me and my Saviour.

The RCC calls Mary "The Queen of Heaven" and THAT mess was condemned in no uncertain terms by The Word of God. The Queen of Heaven was the moon god Ashteroth in Jeremiah.

How many times must we tell you that the RCC is corrupt and ALL who defend her are idolatrous.
 
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No. I'm looking at what the text says, then understanding it, in its immediate context, and in comparison with other scriptures about the same subject. You are looking at the text says, then ignoring the problematic elements of what the apostles did.

I'm going to stop beating the dead horse now.

That's really the point I've been making.

You see "problematic elements" in Acts 1, but I don't see where the text itself identifies them as problematic.

The text says:

"Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show which one of these two thou hast chosen" (Acts 1:24).

and:

"the lot fell on Matthias; and he was enrolled with the eleven apostles" (Acts 1:26).

If God intended Paul to replace Judas, then why did God show that He had chosen Matthias at all?

In fact, the text explicitly says God chose Matthias for this purpose:

"to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside" (Acts 1:25).

The passage never says the apostles acted presumptuously, never says Matthias was the wrong choice, and never says Paul later replaced Matthias.

Those conclusions may be your interpretation of the passage, but they are not statements made by the passage itself.

That is why I said we are approaching Acts 1 from two different directions. I'm trying to derive my conclusions from what the text explicitly says, whereas your conclusion that Matthias was a mistake seems to come from assumptions brought to the text.
 

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Here is list of reasons why Paul is far more likely to have been God's replacement than Matthias.

"Factors Which Question the Actions of the Apostles

(1) The action taken was prior to Pentecost, before the Holy Spirit had come upon the apostles to guide them.

(2) The apostles were “taking action” when Jesus had specifically commanded them to wait, until the Spirit had come on them.

(3) Jesus had chosen all of the other apostles (cf. 1:2), and He had given them no command to choose a replacement for Judas.

(4) While there is a minimal reference to “the twelve” later on, Matthias is never again specifically referred to in the New Testament. Why is so much attention giving to the choice of a man who is then ignored throughout the rest of the New Testament?

(5) The context surrounding this incident does not suggest that it was a decision prompted by a command of the Lord, a biblical imperative, or the guidance of the Spirit. I have mentally labeled this section, “Doing What Comes Naturally.” It seems that the apostles were, along with the rest, acting on their own, apart from any clear imperative or command. In the immediate context, the disciples seem preoccupied, and Jesus had to turn their attention toward things other than what they had in mind. The angels had to spur the group on, rather than to stand on the mount, looking into the sky. The immediately preceding context suggests that the apostles still had things out of focus, while the immediately following context (Pentecost) informs us that the Spirit’s coming was not yet, and thus suggests that the apostles were acting on their own initiative, and not that of God.

(6) The motivation of the apostles might seem suspect, when considered in light of their past thinking and actions. You will recall from the Gospel accounts that the disciples were eager for the kingdom to come, but from a motivation of self-interest, from a desire for position, power, and prestige. They were even competitive with one another. Why then the urgency for the position of the twelfth apostle to be filled? It could be suggested that it was because the disciples felt the kingdom could not come until there were twelve apostles in place, so that there would be twelve thrones filled in order that the twelve tribes could be judged. This would be a reasonable conclusion, based upon our Lord’s words to the disciples in Luke 22:30, spoken shortly before His betrayal, arrest, and crucifixion.

(7) While Peter’s interpretation of the Old Testament Scriptures to which he referred may well have been sound, the inferences he drew from them are possibly more suspect. Jesus Himself linked Old Testament prophecy to His betrayal by Judas. He cited Psalm 41:9 in John 13:18 and 26. Peter seems to allude to the text in Psalm 41:9 cited by our Lord, but he specifically quoted from two passages from the Psalms. The first citation was from Psalm 69:25; the second was from Psalm 109:8. If Peter’s interpretation of these two texts as being prophetic is correct, I am not certain his interpretation necessarily follows from them. In the first citation from Psalm 69, the text Peter cited is this, “LET HIS HOMESTEAD BE MADE DESOLATE, AND LET NO MAN DWELL IN IT.”

(8) Now from the account of the fate of Judas, which Luke has given to us parenthetically in verses 18 and 19, who was it that made the homestead of Judas desolate? It was surely not the disciples nor was it anyone else who consciously did what they did in order to obey this prophecy. God fulfilled this prophecy. And so, when we come to the second statement, “HIS OFFICE LET ANOTHER MAN TAKE,” should we assume that there is anything called for here on the part of the apostles? I think not. If God fulfilled the first “LET …” from Psalm 69, why should the disciples feel obliged to fulfill the second “LET …” from Psalm 109? If the second citation were fulfilled in the same way the first was fulfilled, the disciples would not need to have done anything. I am not certain the Old Testament text requires anything of the disciples, but Peter and the others felt it did.

(9) The process used to choose Judas’ replacement seems somewhat suspect. At best, one can say that the selection of Matthias was carried out in an Old Testament fashion by the casting of lots. This method was never given to the disciples, nor is it ever found again in the New Testament as a means of determining who God has chosen to hold any office. The casting of lots allowed for a decision to be reached totally apart from divine intervention. Of course God can and does determine the outcome of the casting of lots (Proverbs 16:33), but is this the way God intended this decision to be made? The candidates were nominated, and the two candidates put before the Lord were chosen by the group, based on the requirements they themselves determined. They allowed God to choose between the two candidates. Somehow this seems sub-standard to me. The method employed by the group seems to put God in a box and to limit Him to the options men have placed before Him.

(10) Luke’s argument in Acts seems to challenge this action, because in Acts Paul’s apostleship seems to be affirmed at the expense of that of Matthias. Paul constantly stressed that his apostleship was the sovereign will and purpose of God, and not of man. He also spoke of himself as an equal with the rest of the apostles.3 And remember, Paul was also a witness of the resurrection of Christ, for he was stopped short by a vision of the Lord Himself, risen from the dead. If Paul’s apostleship is affirmed and Matthias’s apostleship is ignored, there is good reason to question the legitimacy of Matthias’ apostleship. There is at least some evidence to challenge the action taken by the apostles due to this emphasis on Paul’s apostleship."


If God meant for Paul to replace Judas, then why did God reveal His choice of Matthias?

In Acts 1, the apostles did not simply pick a man on their own. They prayed, "Lord, You know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two You have chosen," and then Matthias was numbered with the eleven apostles. Luke records this event without any hint of error or rebuke.

Furthermore, Acts never says Matthias was a mistake, nor does it ever state that Paul replaced him. The argument that Paul replaced Judas is based on inference, not on any explicit biblical statement.

Paul's apostleship was certainly divinely appointed, but Paul himself distinguishes his calling from that of the Twelve. In 1 Corinthians 15:5-8, he speaks of Christ appearing to "the Twelve" and then afterward appearing to him. Paul consistently presents himself as an apostle specially called to the Gentiles, not as the replacement for Judas.

The fact that Matthias is not mentioned again proves very little. Several of the Twelve receive little or no attention in Acts after chapter 1, yet nobody argues that they were not genuine apostles.

The real question is not, "Why is Matthias seldom mentioned?" The real question is, "Where does Scripture ever say that Matthias was wrongly chosen and that Paul replaced him?" Scripture never says that. It explicitly records Matthias being chosen, but it never explicitly identifies Paul as Judas' replacement.

The burden of proof therefore rests on those who claim Matthias was a mistake. The biblical text affirms Matthias; the theory that Paul replaced him goes beyond what the text actually says.
 

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What a beautiful mistake! How can a human being give birth to God? How can human hands make God? How can you call the person involved in artificial insemination as your parent(s)?
 

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1 Timothy 2:5
There is One God and one Mediator between God and men; the man Christ Jesus.

No pope can stand between me and my Saviour.
No handmaiden (Mary) can stand between me and my Saviour.
No priest can stand between me and my Saviour.
This guy can sing solo well, but why he still needs a choir and chorus?
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because it sounds better!

Yes, you can pray directly to God, but asking saints and Mary to join you, it sounds better.
 

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What a beautiful mistake! How can a human being give birth to God? How can human hands make God? How can you call the person involved in artificial insemination as your parent(s)?
How about God being born into human?
Have you not seen the TV series:
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A CEO would take the role of an ordinary janitor or entry-level employee of his company, for a specific purpose.
 

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How about God being born into human?
Have you not seen the TV series:
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A CEO would take the role of an ordinary janitor or entry-level employee of his company, for a specific purpose.
I could Only say that truth/word of God being born into flesh.

And the truth/word of God being born into flesh which is son of God who is Jesus Christ.

Mary is the mother of son of God.;)
 

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I could Only say that truth/word of God being born into flesh.

And the truth/word of God being born into flesh which is son of God who is Jesus Christ.

Mary is the mother of son of God.;)
Is HOLY SPIRIT not God too?
 

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When it is NOT Taught to Do.

But What IS Taught… ——>
Ahhh – so, you ONLY practice what the Bible tells you to??

Sooo, you’ve never –
- Driven a car?
- Eaten spaghetti?
- Been to a theme park?
- Seen a movie?
- Ridden a bicycle?
- ASKED a question or made a REQUEST?

The Bible NEVER command us NOT to pray to people. I’ve done it PLENTY of times – and so YOU and everyone else. The Bible is FULL of examples of this . . .

To make a REQUEST, a PLEA, or an IMPLORATION is to
PRAY . . .
[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Pss 62:
[6] He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.

Matt 5:4
[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Eph 6:

[18] Praying]/B] always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
And yet, NONE of these verses “forbids” making REQUESTS, a PLEAS, or an IMPLORATIONS of fellow humans or brothers and sisters in Heaven . . .
Reminding me what interpretations you learned in catechism and from your Catholic teachers… is a waste of your time and mine.
The Language Lesson I gave you didn’t have a THING to do with the Catechism. In fact - I NEVER used the Catechism to define what "Pray" means.

As I've explained to you ad nauseam, it’s from the Dictionary - as well as Greek and Hebrew scholarly sources . . .

The KEY Words …to be alert to
Are…FOR and TO… not “prayer”!!!
As I have already shown you – and quite AMPLY, I might add – “Prayer” simply means to ASK, to ENTREAT, IMPLORE, to REQUEST or to PLEA.

You’re as bad at Dictionary definitions as you are Scripture study . . .
 

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Nothing new…pretending you speak FOR ALL Catholics who some have Flat Out Said THEY Do Bow down to statues and they Do Pray TO Mary and Saints IN Heaven.
They certainly didn’t learn to bow to statues from the Catholic Church.
Perhaps YOU can show me from the Catechism where it teaches is to bow, worship or pray TO statues . . .

I’ll wait right here for your well-researched response . . .