When Might Satan With His Angels Come to This Earth For the Tribulation?

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God's parable about Lucifer in Ezekiel 28 reveals there was a time when the devil was actually perfect in his ways serving God, and was created as an anointed cherub to cover the Mercy Seat. He was highly exalted back then. Do we see that at any time when God created Adam and Eve? No.

A follower of our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ, having received The Holy Spirit discernment, shouldn't have to be told this simple matter of how God revealed that it was in another world age when Lucifer was highly exalted serving God at His Throne.
 
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God banished Satan from heaven, casting him down to earth. Satan thereupon tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, speaking to her through the serpent. Satan then argued to God, "Condemn me, condemn them."

Satan is still on earth today, alive and well, "seeking whom he may devour" (1Peter 5:8).

See also Job 1:6-22.
 
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God banished Satan from heaven, casting him down to earth. Satan thereupon tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, speaking to her through the serpent. Satan then argued to God, "Condemn me, condemn them."

Satan is still on earth today, alive and well, "seeking whom he may devour" (1Peter 5:8).

See also Job 1:6-22.

Satan is STILL... in the Heavenly dimension. You're being silly with a primitive belief that Satan lives in the earth literally. Satan is a HEAVENLY CREATED BEING, not a flesh person, though you are treating Satan as such.

For Satan to no longer be allowed in HEAVEN, as the Rev.12:8 Scripture says as written, it means he will show up on earth like how the angels in The Bible have appeared to flesh-born men. Haven't you ever read in God's Word about those angels that appeared on earth with the image of men?

As of right now, Satan is able to "devour" FROM his Heavenly abode. And he is still today allowed in HEAVEN to approach God's Throne to accuse us before God, like he did per the Book of Job.


Where you are pulling from is a tradition of men that wrongly interprets what Jesus said to His disciples just before His being delivered up...

John 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
KJV


Men's tradition says that at Jesus' cross the devil was cast out of Heaven to the earth. That's not the timing Lord Jesus was referring to though. Lord Jesus was pointing to the day of His future coming when the 'actual' "judgment of this world" will occur, and Satan will be cast into his pit prison in chains, per Revelation 20. Now if you believe this world has already been judged then it would mean you wrongly believe God's Great White Throne Judgment has already happened; it hasn't, and won't happen until after Christ's future coming and "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.


John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV


Then later, Jesus tells His disciples that "Hereafter...", meaning after His being delivered up to be crucified, He will not speak with His disciples much. And then He warns that Satan is coming to this world. And that is the future casting out of Revelation 12:7 forward for the END of this world when Satan will appear in Jerusalem to mimic Christ Jesus, working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world. That is the casting out of Heaven that Lord Jesus was pointing to.


Eph 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
KJV


Paul was referring to the Heavenly dimension when he said the above. When the event of Revelation 12:7 forward happens, those powers not of flesh and blood will literally come to this earth, in plain sight. Per God's parable in Ezekiel 28 about Satan, he is to be destroyed right here on earth, in plain sight, a fire happening within him, like a spontaneous combustion event. He has to come to this earth literally in plain sight for that to be fulfilled...

Ezek 28:17-19
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground,
I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and
I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
KJV
 

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Reading the recent exchange about when Satan fell and who the sons of God are, a few passages might help. William Barton's point from Job 38:7 is a good anchor: the morning stars and sons of God shouted for joy when the earth's foundations were laid, so angelic beings were already present at creation. That fits Davy's view that the adversary's role began before Adam, though Scripture says little about the exact timing. Jay Ross reads Genesis 1:2 as hinting at an early rebellion, which is interesting, but I would hold it loosely since the text does not say so directly. On Truth7t7's point, sons of God can describe believers, as in John 1:12, but in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1 the sons of God present themselves before the LORD and Satan comes among them, which most readers take as angelic. Jude 6 and 2 Peter 2:4 also speak of angels who left their proper place. Christians differ on Genesis 6:1-4, mainly between the Sethite and angelic readings, and I am still learning. Thank you all for the thoughtful discussion.
 

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Satan became arrogant and was thrown down to the early earth, along with his angelic supporters. It's hard to imagine.
 
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Satan is STILL... in the Heavenly dimension. You're being silly with a primitive belief that Satan lives in the earth literally. Satan is a HEAVENLY CREATED BEING, not a flesh person, though you are treating Satan as such.

For Satan to no longer be allowed in HEAVEN, as the Rev.12:8 Scripture says as written, it means he will show up on earth like how the angels in The Bible have appeared to flesh-born men. Haven't you ever read in God's Word about those angels that appeared on earth with the image of men?

As of right now, Satan is able to "devour" FROM his Heavenly abode. And he is still today allowed in HEAVEN to approach God's Throne to accuse us before God, like he did per the Book of Job.


Where you are pulling from is a tradition of men that wrongly interprets what Jesus said to His disciples just before His being delivered up...

John 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
KJV


Men's tradition says that at Jesus' cross the devil was cast out of Heaven to the earth. That's not the timing Lord Jesus was referring to though. Lord Jesus was pointing to the day of His future coming when the 'actual' "judgment of this world" will occur, and Satan will be cast into his pit prison in chains, per Revelation 20. Now if you believe this world has already been judged then it would mean you wrongly believe God's Great White Throne Judgment has already happened; it hasn't, and won't happen until after Christ's future coming and "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.


John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV


Then later, Jesus tells His disciples that "Hereafter...", meaning after His being delivered up to be crucified, He will not speak with His disciples much. And then He warns that Satan is coming to this world. And that is the future casting out of Revelation 12:7 forward for the END of this world when Satan will appear in Jerusalem to mimic Christ Jesus, working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world. That is the casting out of Heaven that Lord Jesus was pointing to.


Eph 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
KJV


Paul was referring to the Heavenly dimension when he said the above. When the event of Revelation 12:7 forward happens, those powers not of flesh and blood will literally come to this earth, in plain sight. Per God's parable in Ezekiel 28 about Satan, he is to be destroyed right here on earth, in plain sight, a fire happening within him, like a spontaneous combustion event. He has to come to this earth literally in plain sight for that to be fulfilled...

Ezek 28:17-19
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground,
I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
KJV
Davy noted:
<angels that look like men>
Satan is a cherub, not an angel (Ezekiel 28:14-16). Two cherubim guard the Presence of God on the Ark of the Covenant, and also in the true temple in heaven. Satan currently dwells on planet earth (Job 1:7, 1Peter 5:8).
 

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Davy noted:
<angels that look like men>
Satan is a cherub, not an angel (Ezekiel 28:14-16). Two cherubim guard the Presence of God on the Ark of the Covenant, and also in the true temple in heaven. Satan currently dwells on planet earth (Job 1:7, 1Peter 5:8).

Satan is also called an angel in God's Word...

Apostle Paul said...

2 Cor 11:14-15
14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
KJV


Per God's parable in Ezekiel 28, using the flesh "king of Tyrus" as a type for Lucifer, God showed that He created Lucifer as a cherub that covereth, which means the job of covering God's Throne, the job of one of the two cherubim represented on the Ark of the Covenant.

Ezek 28:12-15
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
KJV


Ex 25:17-21
17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.

18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.

20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.

21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
KJV
 

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Satan is also called an angel in God's Word...

Apostle Paul said...

2 Cor 11:14-15
14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
KJV


Per God's parable in Ezekiel 28, using the flesh "king of Tyrus" as a type for Lucifer, God showed that He created Lucifer as a cherub that covereth, which means the job of covering God's Throne, the job of one of the two cherubim represented on the Ark of the Covenant.

Ezek 28:12-15
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
KJV


Ex 25:17-21
17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.

18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.

20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.

21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
KJV
Words typically have more than one connotation. Satan indeed presents himself as an angel of light ( 2Corinthians 11:14 ). "Angel" (Greek ανγελος) in that context indicates "messenger."

Biologically Satan is a cherub (Hebrew כרוב), not an angel, who once served in the temple of heaven. Cherubim have wings, angels look like men.
 

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Satan is also called an angel in God's Word...

Apostle Paul said...

2 Cor 11:14-15
14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
KJV


Per God's parable in Ezekiel 28, using the flesh "king of Tyrus" as a type for Lucifer, God showed that He created Lucifer as a cherub that covereth, which means the job of covering God's Throne, the job of one of the two cherubim represented on the Ark of the Covenant.

Ezek 28:12-15
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
KJV


Ex 25:17-21
17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.

18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.

20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.

21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
KJV
Davy noted: <Satan angel of light>
He certainly was, but now he roams the earth, seeking whom he may devour (i.e. drag down to hell with him, 1Peter 5:8).

"Angel" (Greek ανγελος = angelos, Hebrew מלאך = malach) indicates "messenger." Angels are God's messengers.