There is more than one set of apocryphas.

Enoch111 · Feb 26, 2019

Christians generally think of the Apocrypha as a specific group of non-canonical books (they are NOT Scripture except for the Orthodox and Catholic churches). But there are actually four sets of apocryphas, and they are all different from each other. The Orthodox Church has sixteen books, the original King James Bible had fifteen, the Septuagint has eleven books, and the Catholic bibles have only seven books (which they call Deuterocanonical, and are common to all).

There are a total of seventeen apocryphal books, which are distributed as follows:

Books found in all four groups:
1. Tobit
2. Judith
3. Wisdom of Solomon
4. Ecclesiasticus (Sirach)
5. Baruch
6. I Maccabees
7. II Maccabees

Books found only in Orthodox bibles and the original KJV
8. I Esdras (also in the Septuagint)
9. II Esdras
10. Letter of Jeremiah
11. Prayer of Manasseh
12. Susanna
13. Bel and the Dragon
14. Prayer of Azariah/Song of the Three Holy Youths

Books found only in Orthodox bibles and the Septuagint
15. III Maccabees
16. IV Maccabees

Books found in all other than the Catholic bibles
17. Additions to Esther

"There were many reasons to include the Apocrypha within the pages of the [King James] Bible during the 17th century. Protestants of the time were deeply engaged in debates with Catholics over doctrine, so Protestant pastors and theologians were served well by being well-acquainted with the Apocrypha which formed the basis of several Catholic doctrines. Some books, such as Maccabees and Sirach, are quoted in the Talmud; so familiarity with the Apocrypha can be helpful to understand Judaism during the time of Jesus Christ. The fulfillment of some Old testament prophecies, such as those in Daniel, can be confirmed by the historical information in the Apocryphal books such as Maccabees. Despite its inclusion in the KJV, however, the translators did not consider the Apocrypha as part of scripture. Whereas Catholic Bibles included the Apocryphal books mixed with scripture, the KJV separates the Apocryphal books and labels them with the irreverent generic running head, “Apocrypha” (which means “obscure”). The Apocrypha is no more inspired than are other things that might be included in today’s editions of the Bible, such as study notes, book introductions, devotional tips, etc. We can just as well say about some study notes that they are to be "read for example of life and instruction of manners" but not to "establish any doctrine". The Apocrypha is not included in most publications of the KJV today."

Editions of the KJV and the Apocrypha - King James Version Today

Willie T · Feb 26, 2019

It's a big mess. The number of books in the Bible depends on which Bible is being referenced. Protestant and Catholic churches recognize 27 New Testament books. Protestants recognize 39 books of the Jewish canon in the Old Testament. Roman Catholics hold 46 books of the Old Testament as canon, along with expanded versions of Esther and Daniel. In addition to the 73 books of the Catholic Bible, the Orthodox Church adds three more books to their canon. By far, the largest canon of all is found in the Ethiopic Church, whose Bible totals 81 books. One Apocryphal volume of interest (where I got all this information) contains the books of the Catholic, Orthodox, and Ethiopic Bibles, which include: 1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, 3 Maccabees, 4 Maccabees, Letter (Epistle) of Jeremiah, The Prayer of Azariah, Baruch, Prayer of Manasseh (Manassas), Bel and the Dragon, Wisdom of Sirach, Wisdom of Solomon, Additions to Esther, Tobit, Judith, Susanna, Psalm 151, Enoch, Jubilees, 1 Clements, Shepherd of Hermas.

Enoch111 · Feb 26, 2019

Willie T said:
By far, the largest canon of all is found in the Ethiopic Church, whose Bible totals 81 books.

I should have included the Ethiopic church, but because it is so remote I didn't. Thanks for adding that to the mix.

CoreIssue · Feb 26, 2019

When you kick in not a catholic nun bible materials, meaning gnostic gospels the increase greatly.

I know this thread is about the apocrypha, but I just wanted everyone to be aware that the apocrypha type of books is not limited to Catholicism.

BreadOfLife · Feb 28, 2019

Enoch111 said:
Christians generally think of the Apocrypha as a specific group of non-canonical books (they are NOT Scripture except for the Orthodox and Catholic churches). But there are actually four sets of apocryphas, and they are all different from each other. The Orthodox Church has sixteen books, the original King James Bible had fifteen, the Septuagint has eleven books, and the Catholic bibles have only seven books (which they call Deuterocanonical, and are common to all).

There are a total of seventeen apocryphal books, which are distributed as follows:

Books found in all four groups:
1. Tobit
2. Judith
3. Wisdom of Solomon
4. Ecclesiasticus (Sirach)
5. Baruch
6. I Maccabees
7. II Maccabees

Books found only in Orthodox bibles and the original KJV
8. I Esdras (also in the Septuagint)
9. II Esdras
10. Letter of Jeremiah
11. Prayer of Manasseh
12. Susanna
13. Bel and the Dragon
14. Prayer of Azariah/Song of the Three Holy Youths

Books found only in Orthodox bibles and the Septuagint
15. III Maccabees
16. IV Maccabees

Books found in all other than the Catholic bibles
17. Additions to Esther

"There were many reasons to include the Apocrypha within the pages of the [King James] Bible during the 17th century. Protestants of the time were deeply engaged in debates with Catholics over doctrine, so Protestant pastors and theologians were served well by being well-acquainted with the Apocrypha which formed the basis of several Catholic doctrines. Some books, such as Maccabees and Sirach, are quoted in the Talmud; so familiarity with the Apocrypha can be helpful to understand Judaism during the time of Jesus Christ. The fulfillment of some Old testament prophecies, such as those in Daniel, can be confirmed by the historical information in the Apocryphal books such as Maccabees. Despite its inclusion in the KJV, however, the translators did not consider the Apocrypha as part of scripture. Whereas Catholic Bibles included the Apocryphal books mixed with scripture, the KJV separates the Apocryphal books and labels them with the irreverent generic running head, “Apocrypha” (which means “obscure”). The Apocrypha is no more inspired than are other things that might be included in today’s editions of the Bible, such as study notes, book introductions, devotional tips, etc. We can just as well say about some study notes that they are to be "read for example of life and instruction of manners" but not to "establish any doctrine". The Apocrypha is not included in most publications of the KJV today."

Editions of the KJV and the Apocrypha - King James Version Today

Good grief - here we go again . . .

First of all - the 7 Books that were rejected during the Protestant Revolt in the 16th century are the Deuterocanonical Books - not "Apocrypha".
They were DECLARED apocryphal by your Protestant Fathers - but they were included in the OPEN Jewish Canon of the during the 1st century.

It can be shown by the almost 200 references to these Books in the NT that Jesus and the NT writers studied from the Septuagint and held these Books to be inspired. In fact - it wasn't until LONG AFTER Jesus ascended to the Father and AFTER the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD that a Jewish rabbinical council ejected these Books.

Additionally - the portions of Esther and Daniel in the Deuterocanon are not "additions".
They were edited OUT of your Protestant versions.

SO - the edited version of Scripture that you Protestants adhere to is a POST-Christ, POST-Temple edition decided on by the very people who rejected Christ - AFTER He was gone for the SOLE purpose of further-divorcing yourselves from the Catholic Church.
Nice job . . .

Enoch111 · Feb 28, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
First of all - the 7 Books that were rejected during the Protestant Revolt in the 16th century are the Deuterocanonical Books - not "Apocrypha".

But this was only when the Council of Trent decided to make those books into a second-canon. However, you are clearly mistaken about the Hebrew Bible, which had ONLY 24 BOOKS (which correspond to the Protestant 39 books). The apocryphal books were not in the Hebrew Tanakh. And your second-canon is not really canonical.

The Mikraot Gedolot or Second Rabbinic Bible was a monumental achievement of typesetting for its day, given that the printing press was new and all the Hebrew letters, vowels and accents had to be meticulously and individually assembled into place.

Ben Hayyim used the best Hebrew manuscripts that were available to him. Although some have argued that he did not always have access to the best manuscripts, the famous massoretic scholar Ginsburg has argued that it was a good representation of the Ben Asher text. In fact, Ginsburg's own superb editions of the Hebrew Bible, printed by the British and Foreign Bible Society, were based on ben Hayyim's Second Rabbinic Bible or Mikraot Gedolot.

The Second Rabbinic Bible, or Mikraot Gedolot, was published in four volumes [and this list gives the break-down as we see in our bibles]:

The first volume contains the five books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
The second volume contains the books of Joshua, Judges, 1 & 2 Samuel, and 1 & 2 Kings.
The third volume contains all of the former and latter prophets: Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi.
The fourth volume contains the books of Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah, and 1 & 2 Chronicles.

The Mikraot Gedolot or Second Rabbinic Bible of Ben Hayyim served as the standard text of the Hebrew Bible for nearly all later editions until modern times. It is widely recognised as an extraordinary achievement.

Early Printed Bibles - The 1524 Second Rabbinic Bible (Mikraot Gedolot) by Jacob ben Haim

BreadOfLife · Feb 28, 2019

Enoch111 said:
But this was only when the Council of Trent decided to make those books into a second-canon. However, you are clearly mistaken about the Hebrew Bible, which had ONLY 24 BOOKS (which correspond to the Protestant 39 books). The apocryphal books were not in the Hebrew Tanakh. And your second-canon is not really canonical.

The Mikraot Gedolot or Second Rabbinic Bible was a monumental achievement of typesetting for its day, given that the printing press was new and all the Hebrew letters, vowels and accents had to be meticulously and individually assembled into place.

Ben Hayyim used the best Hebrew manuscripts that were available to him. Although some have argued that he did not always have access to the best manuscripts, the famous massoretic scholar Ginsburg has argued that it was a good representation of the Ben Asher text. In fact, Ginsburg's own superb editions of the Hebrew Bible, printed by the British and Foreign Bible Society, were based on ben Hayyim's Second Rabbinic Bible or Mikraot Gedolot.

The Second Rabbinic Bible, or Mikraot Gedolot, was published in four volumes:

The first volume contains the five books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

The second volume contains the books of Joshua, Judges, 1 & 2 Samuel, and 1 & 2 Kings.

The third volume contains all of the former and latter prophets: Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi.

The fourth volume contains the books of Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Song of Songs, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah, and 1 & 2 Chronicles.

The Mikraot Gedolot or Second Rabbinic Bible of Ben Hayyim served as the standard text of the Hebrew Bible for nearly all later editions until modern times. It is widely recognised as an extraordinary achievement.

Early Printed Bibles - The 1524 Second Rabbinic Bible (Mikraot Gedolot) by Jacob ben Haim

And I NEVER claimed that the Deuterocanonical Books were in the Hebrew Bible. I said that they were part of the SEPTUAGINT, which was part of the OPEN Jewish Canon of the 1st century.

It was not closed until LONG AFTER the Jesus ascended to the Father and the Temple was destroyed. They were jettisoned because the rabbinical counsel considered them as being of too much "Hellenistic" influence on the Diaspora (Dispersed Jews).

Jesus and the NT writers studied from those Books when they WERE considered Scripture.
Your Protestant Fathers ONLY adopted this Post-Christ, Post-Temple canon to further-divorce themselves from the Catholic Church because they taught things like prayers for the dead and Purgatory.

Marymog · Feb 28, 2019

Enoch111 said:
Christians generally think of the Apocrypha as a specific group of non-canonical books (they are NOT Scripture except for the Orthodox and Catholic churches). But there are actually four sets of apocryphas, and they are all different from each other. The Orthodox Church has sixteen books, the original King James Bible had fifteen, the Septuagint has eleven books, and the Catholic bibles have only seven books (which they call Deuterocanonical, and are common to all).

There are a total of seventeen apocryphal books, which are distributed as follows:

Books found in all four groups:
1. Tobit
2. Judith
3. Wisdom of Solomon
4. Ecclesiasticus (Sirach)
5. Baruch
6. I Maccabees
7. II Maccabees

Books found only in Orthodox bibles and the original KJV
8. I Esdras (also in the Septuagint)
9. II Esdras
10. Letter of Jeremiah
11. Prayer of Manasseh
12. Susanna
13. Bel and the Dragon
14. Prayer of Azariah/Song of the Three Holy Youths

Books found only in Orthodox bibles and the Septuagint
15. III Maccabees
16. IV Maccabees

Books found in all other than the Catholic bibles
17. Additions to Esther

"There were many reasons to include the Apocrypha within the pages of the [King James] Bible during the 17th century. Protestants of the time were deeply engaged in debates with Catholics over doctrine, so Protestant pastors and theologians were served well by being well-acquainted with the Apocrypha which formed the basis of several Catholic doctrines. Some books, such as Maccabees and Sirach, are quoted in the Talmud; so familiarity with the Apocrypha can be helpful to understand Judaism during the time of Jesus Christ. The fulfillment of some Old testament prophecies, such as those in Daniel, can be confirmed by the historical information in the Apocryphal books such as Maccabees. Despite its inclusion in the KJV, however, the translators did not consider the Apocrypha as part of scripture. Whereas Catholic Bibles included the Apocryphal books mixed with scripture, the KJV separates the Apocryphal books and labels them with the irreverent generic running head, “Apocrypha” (which means “obscure”). The Apocrypha is no more inspired than are other things that might be included in today’s editions of the Bible, such as study notes, book introductions, devotional tips, etc. We can just as well say about some study notes that they are to be "read for example of life and instruction of manners" but not to "establish any doctrine". The Apocrypha is not included in most publications of the KJV today."

Editions of the KJV and the Apocrypha - King James Version Today

Hi Enoch.

Did you know Tthe Jews never had a single normative biblical text and they accepted the Deuterocanon.

After the First Jewish Revolt (late 60' early 70's AD) the rabbinical school in Jamnia became the center for Jewish religious and political thought. Rabbi Akiba be Joseph (A.D. 37-137) was the head of the school at the time and he wanted to redefine Judaism from a cultic religion to a religion of the book. In a work called Tosefta Yadayim, 2:13, Akiba wrote: “The Gospels and heretical books do not defile the hands. The books of Ben Sira and all other books written from then on, do not defile the hands.”

The phrase “do not defile the hands” refers to a non-sacred text which means that Akiba is stating that the Christian Scriptures are not sacred and the “books of ben Sira and all other books written from then on” are not sacred. The book of Sirach is the oldest book of the Deuterocanon which means that Akiba’s decree rejects the whole of the Deuterocanon as inspired Scripture.

What did Akiba Inadvertently do by saying that? His statement inadvertently shows that a sizeable number of Jewish Christians did accept the Deuterocanon as Scripture in Akiba’s day (BEFORE AD 132) since he associated the Deuterocanan with the Christian Scriptures.

Rabbi Akiba unintentionally becomes a hostile witness that the early Jewish Christians believed that the Deuterocanon was, in fact, Scripture.

But you and your ilk wouldn't know that since you don't know your own Christian History

Historical Mary

BreadOfLife · Feb 28, 2019

Marymog said:
Hi Enoch.

Did you know Tthe Jews never had a single normative biblical text and they accepted the Deuterocanon.

After the First Jewish Revolt (late 60' early 70's AD) the rabbinical school in Jamnia became the center for Jewish religious and political thought. Rabbi Akiba be Joseph (A.D. 37-137) was the head of the school at the time and he wanted to redefine Judaism from a cultic religion to a religion of the book. In a work called Tosefta Yadayim, 2:13, Akiba wrote: “The Gospels and heretical books do not defile the hands. The books of Ben Sira and all other books written from then on, do not defile the hands.”

The phrase “do not defile the hands” refers to a non-sacred text which means that Akiba is stating that the Christian Scriptures are not sacred and the “books of ben Sira and all other books written from then on” are not sacred. The book of Sirach is the oldest book of the Deuterocanon which means that Akiba’s decree rejects the whole of the Deuterocanon as inspired Scripture.

What did Akiba Inadvertently do by saying that? His statement inadvertently shows that a sizeable number of Jewish Christians did accept the Deuterocanon as Scripture in Akiba’s day (BEFORE AD 132) since he associated the Deuterocanan with the Christian Scriptures.

Rabbi Akiba unintentionally becomes a hostile witness that the early Jewish Christians believed that the Deuterocanon was, in fact, Scripture.

But you and your ilk wouldn't know that since you don't know your own Christian History

Historical Mary

Another little historical factoid about our friend Rabbi Akiba.

Around the time of the 2nd Jewish Revolt in the 2nd century - he claimed that a man named Simon Bar Kokhba was the real messiah. He turned out to be a false messiah and Akeebah was a false prophet.

So, Protestants get their OT Canon from a FALSE prophet . . .

Enoch111 · Feb 28, 2019

Marymog said:
Did you know Tthe Jews never had a single normative biblical text and they accepted the Deuterocanon.

That's nonsense, since I quoted the very words of Christ in this regard. Palestinian Jews did indeed have a Bible canon and a traditional Hebrew text, which is found in the Second Rabbinic Bible, which is also the foundation of the OT in the KJV.

For Christ, His apostles, and the Jews in Judea, the Hebrew Bible consisted of Torah, Nevim, and Ketuvim. That is 24 canonical books which Christ confirmed to His apostles, and which He expounded regarding Himself. Read and study Luke 24 AND BELIEVE IT.

The corrupt Greek Septuagint belonged to the non-Palestinian Jews. It included the Apocrypha, and that is where the Catholic Church got their Old Testament (since the Catholic Bibles mix up the canonical and non-canonical books in a mishmash). More spiritual confusion from Rome!

CoreIssue · Feb 28, 2019

The apocrypha was no more accepted by the Jews and Christians than Gnostic writings and Gnosticism by Christians.

Kabbalahism and other cults have existed in both Judaism and Christianity.

CoreIssue · Feb 28, 2019

Old Testament Books | CARM.org

Marymog · Feb 28, 2019

Enoch111 said:
That's nonsense, since I quoted the very words of Christ in this regard. Palestinian Jews did indeed have a Bible canon and a traditional Hebrew text, which is found in the Second Rabbinic Bible, which is also the foundation of the OT in the KJV.

For Christ, His apostles, and the Jews in Judea, the Hebrew Bible consisted of Torah, Nevim, and Ketuvim. That is 24 canonical books which Christ confirmed to His apostles, and which He expounded regarding Himself. Read and study Luke 24 AND BELIEVE IT.

The corrupt Greek Septuagint belonged to the non-Palestinian Jews. It included the Apocrypha, and that is where the Catholic Church got their Old Testament (since the Catholic Bibles mix up the canonical and non-canonical books in a mishmash). More spiritual confusion from Rome!

That's nonsense....

Before Martin Luther came around there were 73 books and it is from those 73 books he read as a Catholic.

Martin Luther petitioned his Reformation cohorts to eliminate seven books of the Old Testament and the endings of Daniel and Esther because they gave clear scriptural evidence of purgatory and praying for the dead. Did you know Luther also wanted the removal of Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation???. He did manage to get rid of his desired Old Testament books and parts of Daniel and Esther but he didn’t receive the same approval from his Reformation cohorts with the other books.

The Jews used the Hebrew Canon after the Christians had already been using the Septuagint for about 60 years. Also, since the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, we have found parts of three of the deuterocanonical books written in Hebrew.

I suspect you are referring to Luke 24:44? Jesus is simply saying that everything in those books that have been written about Him will be fulfilled. He isn't saying that those are the only inspired books or the only books they read/learn/quote from.

You and your ilk follow a 500 year old tradition of men.

Mary

BreadOfLife · Feb 28, 2019

CoreIssue said:
The apocrypha was no more accepted by the Jews and Christians than Gnostic writings and Gnosticism by Christians.

Kabbalahism and other cults have existed in both Judaism and Christianity.

Enoch111 said:
That's nonsense, since I quoted the very words of Christ in this regard. Palestinian Jews did indeed have a Bible canon and a traditional Hebrew text, which is found in the Second Rabbinic Bible, which is also the foundation of the OT in the KJV.

For Christ, His apostles, and the Jews in Judea, the Hebrew Bible consisted of Torah, Nevim, and Ketuvim. That is 24 canonical books which Christ confirmed to His apostles, and which He expounded regarding Himself. Read and study Luke 24 AND BELIEVE IT.

The corrupt Greek Septuagint belonged to the non-Palestinian Jews. It included the Apocrypha, and that is where the Catholic Church got their Old Testament (since the Catholic Bibles mix up the canonical and non-canonical books in a mishmash). More spiritual confusion from Rome!

Ignorant rubbish.
As I indicated before, the Jewish Canon before and during the 1st century was OPEN - and there is nothing you can dpo to change that fact.

Explain to me why we see approximately 200 references from the Deuterocanonical Books on the pages of the NT.
For example:
- Eph. 6:13-17 - The whole discussion of armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield follows Wis. 5:17-20.
- Heb 11:35 - Paul teaches about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons described in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.
- Matt.. 7:12 - Jesus' golden rule about "doing unto others" is the converse of Tobit 4:15.

I eagerly await your educated response . . .

BreadOfLife · Feb 28, 2019

CoreIssue said:
Old Testament Books | CARM.org

Yes, CARM.org - a bastion of anti-Catholic hatred.
PERFECT source for all of your ignorant anti-Catholic needs . . .

CoreIssue · Feb 28, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
Yes, CARM.org - a bastion of anti-Catholic hatred.
PERFECT source for all of your ignorant anti-Catholic needs . . .

Any Bible believing Christian should be anti-Catholic theology.

Willie T · Feb 28, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
Yes, CARM.org - a bastion of anti-Catholic hatred.
PERFECT source for all of your ignorant anti-Catholic needs . . .

I do have to agree that CARM is one of the last sources I would use for anything. I have little use for Matt Slick.

Enoch111 · Feb 28, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
- Eph. 6:13-17 - The whole discussion of armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield follows Wis. 5:17-20.

Those passage are similar superficially, but do not correspond at all:

WISDOM OF SOLOMON
17 He shall take to him his jealousy for complete armour, and make the creature his weapon for the revenge of his enemies.
18 He shall put on righteousness as a breastplate, and true judgment instead of an helmet.
19 He shall take holiness for an invincible shield.
20 His severe wrath shall he sharpen for a sword, and the world shall fight with him against the unwise.

Only the breastplate of righteousness corresponds. But the whole tenor of Wisdom is different. Jealousy, revenge and severe wrath have nothing to do with the armor of God in Ephesians 6:

EPHESIANS 6:
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

FHII · Feb 28, 2019

Ok, so what now? What do we do? We can argue about what should we in the Bible, what was excluded, why, how and whatnot. Or we can go forward.

Don't get me wrong... Its important to acknowledge Bible development history... And personally I enjoy it while not knowing as much as I'd like.

But... We have enough trouble with what we have. Take the format of the NIV, KJV, NLT, NKJV and ESV. or any other popular today. We have enough arguements about what they contain.

I am not suggesting we stop talking and debating about Apocryphal books. Just wondering how fruitful it will be.

Enoch111 · Mar 1, 2019

FHII said:
I am not suggesting we stop talking and debating about Apocryphal books. Just wondering how fruitful it will be.

Well Christians need to simply be clear that they are not to look for Bible doctrines in the apocryphal books.

Even the Orthodox Church maintains this position, although paradoxically they also claim that the 16 apocryphal books in their bibles are Scripture!

Although the Orthodox Church accepts these books as being canonical, and treasures them and uses them liturgically, she does not use them as primary sources in the definition of her dogmas.

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