WHY IS THE CHURCH GOING OUT BACKWARD?

marksman said:

If you want to believe that go right ahead.

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marksman said:

What is written in Greek is original. Derek Prince who I knew very well, was a Professor of Linguistics at Cambridge University, specializing in Hebrew and Greek. He was born again during his time at the uni. Because of his speciality, he brought a vast knowledge of the Hebrew language to his Christian teaching. I was always spellbound as he used to explain various Hebrew and Greek words which opened up the scriptures in their true interpretation. So I am very confident that what I say is correct as I could not get a better teacher than that and to add to it, my senior lecturer at Bible College was a converted Jew who knew Judaism inside out.

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mjrhealth said:

11 I am the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12 But he who is a hireling and not the shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and runs away. And the wolf catches them and scatters the sheep. 13 The hireling flees, because he is a hireling and does not care for the sheep. 14 I am the Good Shepherd, and I know those that are Mine, and I am known by those who are Mine.

many hirelings out there.

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Truther said:

But a lexicon is not the Bible, but commentary.

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marksman said:

You will be better off if you quote scripture.

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Ephesians 4:11 very clearly states that Jesus appointed shepherds in the body of Christ.

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! Timothy and Titus very clearly state that Paul asked them to appoint Elders in the body of Christ.

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There are 26 verses in the New Testament that speak of leadership in the NTC and not once does it mention pastors. That role is the province of the Apostles, Prophets, and Elders.

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Truther said:

But a lexicon is not the Bible, but commentary.

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Truther said:

But a lexicon is not the Bible, but commentary.

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BreadOfLife said:

Sorry - but BOTH you and @Truther lose because you refuse to accept the linguistic facts.

Paul uses the exact same word for Shepherds (ποιμεν, 'poy-mane') in Eph. 4:11 as Jesus uses in John 10 with all of His references to Him being the Shepherd (ποιμεν, 'poy-mane').
This ALONE completely destroys your argument.

@Truther's excuse is that he's just woefully-ignorant of Scritpure.
YOUR problem is that you follow your online paramilitary cult's teachings (aggressivechristianity.net) instead of Christ.

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mjrhealth said:

You ever seeing how Ostriches bury there heads in the sand when they are afraid. Problem is when they pull theer heads out the world hasnt changed and neither will God not for you or any man.

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BreadOfLife said:

TRANSLATION:
"I cannot refute your Scriptural and linguistic evidence. I'll check with my online paramilitary cult (aggressivechristianity.net) for an answer!"

That's what I thought . . .

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Chris1964 said:

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Do you understand the difference between a commentary and a lexicon? They are not the same thing.

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mjrhealth said:

Oh BOL grow up the only thing about you that never changes is you are consistenly wrong and angry. You are like a spoiled child that has had His lolly taken away.

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BreadOfLife said:

I understand your frustration.
Being publicly proven wrong HAS to hurt . . .

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BreadOfLife said:

You'll find that "debating" with @Truther is nothing of the sort.
I've been involved in one idiotic discussion after another with him and he is not only devoid of ANY Biblical knowledge - but is unable to have intelligent discourse altogether.

I actually feel sorry for the guy.
Ignorant and clueless is NO way to to through life . . .

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amadeus said:

And all that we post here when it is not the Word of God is probably also commentary

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Chris1964 said:

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Do you understand the difference between a commentary and a lexicon? They are not the same thing.

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1. the vocabulary of a person, language, or branch of knowledge.
   "the size of the English lexicon"
   • a dictionary, especially of Greek, Hebrew, Syriac, or Arabic.
     "a Greek–Latin lexicon"
     

Chris1964 said:

A lexicon is not a commentary. Its a book of all the n.t. greek words and their definitions. Pastor is not defined as elder or vice versa. A pastor according to the greek is a shepherd. To continue to ignore this is simply to turn a blind eye to the facts of what biblical words mean.

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Truther said:

A conversation is not "professional" commentary.
There is a difference between friends sharing personal ideas and shoving commercial ideas with some unknown fella's PHD behind it.

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BreadOfLife said:

Sorry - but BOTH you and @Truther lose because you refuse to accept the linguistic facts.

Paul uses the exact same word for Shepherds (ποιμεν, 'poy-mane') in Eph. 4:11 as Jesus uses in John 10 with all of His references to Him being the Shepherd (ποιμεν, 'poy-mane').
This ALONE completely destroys your argument.

@Truther's excuse is that he's just woefully-ignorant of Scritpure.
YOUR problem is that you follow your online paramilitary cult's teachings (aggressivechristianity.net) instead of Christ.

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BreadOfLife said:

Yup - but there's NO getting around the fact that Shepherd (ποιμεν, 'poy-mane') in Eph. 4:11 is precisely the SAME word Jesus uses when He calls Himself the Good "Shepherd" in John 10 - no matter HOW much dancing you do . . .

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