Catholic church rejected Justification by Faith

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In order to allow for the works which they were requiring of those who followed the Christian faith, the Catholic church had to push aside that which pointed in direct contrast to what they were doing, but to cover themselves they added truth to error. In the doctrinal decrees of the Council of Trent from 1545 to 1563, the Roman Catholic church officially approved and canonized the doctrine of justification by faith-and-works, and thus condemned what had earlier been one strand in its own message, justification by faith. The opportunity that the Reformers offered of a true reformed church that would go back to the principles of the Bible and remain united was rejected and the chance for theological dialogue and a true opportunity for doctrinal understanding were thrown aside. Here is a good explanation..

'LUTHER, THE COUNCIL OF TRENT, AND JUSTIFICATION
For Luther justification was the "main article" 1 and the "sum of Christian doctrine."2 According to his own confession, he had lost Christ due to the impact of the Catholic Church's theology of the late middle-ages, but rediscovered Him again through his study of the Apostle Paul. Luther was well aware of the fact that what he had dis covered was "new," but he was convinced that, after the church had taught a nonbiblical righteousness by works for centuries, he was again connecting with Paul; "my Paul," as he put it.

The Council of Trent (1545-63), which on the one hand removed certain abuses, such as the sale of indulgences, continued, on the other hand, to draw a marked dividing line between the teaching of the Catholic Church and that of the Reformers. The Council clearly identified the doctrine of justification as the principal reason for the separation be tween the confessions. From the start (1547) it delivered an exhaustive definition of the Catholic dogma of justification with pointed arguments against the "heretics."3 Trent also made it clear that its aim was to stamp out the heresy 4 it saw in the teaching of the Reformers. In the canons concerning the decree on justification, the Reformation was anathematized, without actually calling the Reformers by name. Trent affirmed that the memory of Luther and Calvin should fall into eternal oblivion damnatio memoriae and their religious conviction forever be "anathema." That is how the statement of the Council has been understood for 400 years.

Thus, amid the change illustrated by and emanating from the Joint Declaration on the Dogma of Justification, the objective question remains and indeed now clamors for an answer: Who, if not the Reformers and their teachings, were the heretics of the sixteenth century with their false teaching on justification and what, if anything, has in fact altered since then to suggest the kind of rapprochement gathering in the wake of the document we are reviewing?'
 
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Here are some samples from the transcript that is fully expressed in the above video.

I'll just give you a brief sketch of what Catholic teaching actually is on this. The first thing is the Catholic church does not condemn the formula faith alone. In fact, that formula is occasionally used by doctors of the church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas. And so, when the Council of Trent met in response to the Protestant Reformation, they did not condemn the formula of faith alone. What they condemned was one understanding of the formula. So, what they said was, if anyone says that man is justified by faith alone so that he understands it this way, then they rejected it. But they didn't reject the formula itself because it had a history in Catholic thought. So, what did they reject? Well, it has to do with the nature of faith. Faith is used, the term faith is used in several different senses, both in theology and in the Bible...

...Well, it's basically that we're saved by intellectual assent alone. That's one of the meanings of the term faith in Scripture. In James chapter two, James says, you believe in God. Well, great. Even the demons believe, but still shudder at the prospects of God's wrath. So, the only kind of faith that they have is intellectual faith. They know the truth of Christian doctrine, but they don't trust God. They don't love God, and so consequently, they're not saved. Well, guess what? Almost all Protestants agree with that. The only people who don't are easy believists or free grace theology people, and even a lot of them would say, you need more than just an intellectual awareness of these truths.

So, actually, the Council of Trent does not condemn justification by faith alone. It condemns justification by intellectual belief alone. And we can actually agree on that. Can Catholics use the formula of faith alone? Well, it's not our custom, because it's actually not the language of Scripture. You know, faith alone is used, the phrase faith alone is used only one time in Scripture, and that's in James 2, where it's rejected. So, this is not the language of the Bible.

But, you know, we don't need to quarrel about words. Is there a sense in which the formula of faith alone can be acceptable from a Catholic point of view? The answer is yes. In fact, Pope Benedict a few years ago gave a speech in which he said, Luther's formula of faith alone is true as long as you don't put it in opposition to loves. Because what Paul says in Galatians 5 is that what counts in Christ is neither circumcision nor uncircumcision, but faith working through love.

So, if you have faith that works through love, you are justified. You are in a state of justification. And if that's what you mean by faith, then you are saved or justified by faith alone. And there are a lot of Protestants who have agreed with that. John Calvin agreed with that. He, in his view, faith needed to include not only intellectual belief, but also trust in God and love for God. And he said, if you try to separate out love for God, it's not worth calling faith anymore. It's not real faith, in his view. And so, Calvin agreed. You're justified. The technical name in theology for this kind of faith is formed faith, meaning it's faith informed by love. And if you have faith informed by love, you are justified. Calvin agreed with that.

And in 1999, the Lutheran World Federation signed a joint declaration with the Catholic Church on the doctrine of justification, where they say, we've cleared away. You know, we have some differences in how we express ourselves, but we're agreed on the core of justification, and we don't need to be condemning each other for it anymore.

And then in 2006, the World Methodist Council joined that same decision.
In 2016, I want to say the Anglican Consultative Council approved it also.
And in 2017, the World Council of Reformed Churches joined the declaration.

So, you have Lutherans, Methodists, Anglicans, Reformed, all agreeing that once you clear away the terminological disputes, we're actually agreed in substance here, and we don't need to portray each other as, oh, you guys are preaching a false gospel. As long as we understand these things correctly, we're actually in agreement on the substance.

This thread title and the OP is an accuser of the brethren, is a gross misrepresentation, further divides us from each other,
and should be rejected.

We must pray for Hobie that he be freed from the bondage of his false teachers and the intellectual suicide that goes with it.
 
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Here are some samples from the transcript that is fully expressed in the above video.

I'll just give you a brief sketch of what Catholic teaching actually is on this. The first thing is the Catholic church does not condemn the formula faith alone. In fact, that formula is occasionally used by doctors of the church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas. And so, when the Council of Trent met in response to the Protestant Reformation, they did not condemn the formula of faith alone. What they condemned was one understanding of the formula. So, what they said was, if anyone says that man is justified by faith alone so that he understands it this way, then they rejected it. But they didn't reject the formula itself because it had a history in Catholic thought. So, what did they reject? Well, it has to do with the nature of faith. Faith is used, the term faith is used in several different senses, both in theology and in the Bible...

...Well, it's basically that we're saved by intellectual assent alone. That's one of the meanings of the term faith in Scripture. In James chapter two, James says, you believe in God. Well, great. Even the demons believe, but still shudder at the prospects of God's wrath. So, the only kind of faith that they have is intellectual faith. They know the truth of Christian doctrine, but they don't trust God. They don't love God, and so consequently, they're not saved. Well, guess what? Almost all Protestants agree with that. The only people who don't are easy believists or free grace theology people, and even a lot of them would say, you need more than just an intellectual awareness of these truths.

So, actually, the Council of Trent does not condemn justification by faith alone. It condemns justification by intellectual belief alone. And we can actually agree on that. Can Catholics use the formula of faith alone? Well, it's not our custom, because it's actually not the language of Scripture. You know, faith alone is used, the phrase faith alone is used only one time in Scripture, and that's in James 2, where it's rejected. So, this is not the language of the Bible.

But, you know, we don't need to quarrel about words. Is there a sense in which the formula of faith alone can be acceptable from a Catholic point of view? The answer is yes. In fact, Pope Benedict a few years ago gave a speech in which he said, Luther's formula of faith alone is true as long as you don't put it in opposition to loves. Because what Paul says in Galatians 5 is that what counts in Christ is neither circumcision nor uncircumcision, but faith working through love.

So, if you have faith that works through love, you are justified. You are in a state of justification. And if that's what you mean by faith, then you are saved or justified by faith alone. And there are a lot of Protestants who have agreed with that. John Calvin agreed with that. He, in his view, faith needed to include not only intellectual belief, but also trust in God and love for God. And he said, if you try to separate out love for God, it's not worth calling faith anymore. It's not real faith, in his view. And so, Calvin agreed. You're justified. The technical name in theology for this kind of faith is formed faith, meaning it's faith informed by love. And if you have faith informed by love, you are justified. Calvin agreed with that.

And in 1999, the Lutheran World Federation signed a joint declaration with the Catholic Church on the doctrine of justification, where they say, we've cleared away. You know, we have some differences in how we express ourselves, but we're agreed on the core of justification, and we don't need to be condemning each other for it anymore.

And then in 2006, the World Methodist Council joined that same decision.
In 2016, I want to say the Anglican Consultative Council approved it also.
And in 2017, the World Council of Reformed Churches joined the declaration.

So, you have Lutherans, Methodists, Anglicans, Reformed, all agreeing that once you clear away the terminological disputes, we're actually agreed in substance here, and we don't need to portray each other as, oh, you guys are preaching a false gospel. As long as we understand these things correctly, we're actually in agreement on the substance.

This thread title and the OP is an accuser of the brethren, is a gross misrepresentation, further divides us from each other,
and should be rejected.
That was interesting- thanks for posting it.
 
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So, if you have faith that works through love, you are justified.

Actually, the believer is justified by God through the Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross.

God offers Jesus as the "one time eternal sacrifice for sin".... and that is because its SIN that separates us from God.

So, Jesus came to be come this..

"God hath made JESUS... to be SIN for us"..... the payment for it and our redemption from it.

Its by the Cross of Christ that the believer is eternally FORGIVEN their sin.

So, once Jesus has died for our sin, then we are justified by this Death and shedding of Christ's blood, that is God's "blood atonement" that He has provided to us as The Cross of Christ.

Now how does a person get this Sacrifice of Jesus applied to them by God?


"Faith is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness" and once that has happened then the person is ""Justified by FAITH", .. exactly as "Abraham believe God and God counted this FAITH to Abraham as His righteousness". .

This is what Paul teaches as "Grace through Faith", or "Justification by faith, without the deeds of the law".