What Is A Soul?

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Many people scan throught the Bible and look for a verse to support a preconcived point but disregard what the Bible tells them.
Lets begin by taking a look at Matthew 10:28
Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Now, to begin with, I think Christians can examine the verse and agree that Matthew 10:28 does not define what a soul is. While the NT's usage of soul/psuche (Strong's #5590) is an expanded one that covers various symbolic meanings used, however none of the NT references that I'm aware of define what a soul is. That definition is found in the OT.

Now some points on this verse in question:

1) By one saying that this verse possibly indicates that the soul is a seperate, dualistic part of a human, than the verse itself states clearly that the soul is NOT immortal; "destroy both soul and body in hell". That alone tells me that the soul, however we decide to define it, CAN be destroyed - thus it is not immortal.

2) When we look at the various definitions for psuche in the lexicon we find a miriad of possible definitions. How do you decide which one of these definitions fits?

3) When one reads the entire Matthew 10 (particularly starting at 10:16 onward) account we find that Christ is talking to the apostles in regards to their persecution as they are being sent out to spread the Gospel. He tells them how hard it is going to be (such as in 10:9 how they would be poor (no gold, nor silver, nor brass)). He tells them not to fear those that are going to persecute them, that they would be brought before governers and kings (verse 18) by those that would have them persecuted. Basically, what we find is Jesus warning them but at the same time giving them strength to do His work - that is the theme - not fearing men. He is telling them to stay strong, for though men may be able to kill them ONLY God can determine ones salvation.

4) I think the crux of your point is going to be "why is body and soul mentioned seperately if they are one and the same as your essay states"? That is a very simple answer; as I stated at the beginning of this reply, the NT expands the means of words used in the OT. Soul in the NT, as we've seen from the Strong's Lexicon #5590, has various meanings. But you'll notice that virtually every definition (in particularly definition #2) shows traits that are associated with the whole being of a person (their feelings, desires, affections, etc). These are parts of the whole person, not some seperate "essense" as the very last definition (2c) would try to squeeze in. As such, the verse simply means [paraphrase] "do not be afraid of those that can kill you, if you are going to be afraid of anyone be afraid of God, for it is He that can destroy you utterly as it is He that decides your salvation".


I think once we look at the entire body of texts the overwhelming conclusion of what a soul is easily found. According to rules of hermeneutics; we must harmonize less-clear verses with those that are more clear. As such, Gen 2:7 is the clearer verse and it tells us exactly what a soul is.


Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

When God united His breath, or spirit with man, man became a living soul. A living soul is composed of body and spirit.

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1) breath, spirit
1a) breath (of God)
1b) breath (of man)
1c) every breathing thing
1d) spirit (of man)

When one dies, their spirit goes back to God who gave it, at which point, one is no longer a living soul. This is why humanity is not immortal, and must receive the same from God as a gift of salvation.

The Bible tells us what a soul is (which we saw in Gen 2:7) and that only God has immortality at this point (1 Timothy 1:17 & 1 Timothy 6:15-16). Let's see those verses quickly:

1 Timothy 6:15-16 - Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

1 Timothy 1:17 - Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

To arrive at the conclusion that souls are somehow immortal would take a lot of scriptural proof, and as far as I know, such scriptures simply do not exist.

Now there are many verses in Psalms where David is talking about his enemies seeking him to destroy his soul.

Psalms 40:14 - Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil.

Psalms 35:4 - Let them be confounded and put to shame that seek after my soul: let them be turned back and brought to confusion that devise my hurt.

When we look to the rules of hermeneutics we see that we must interpret the means of obscure passages with those that are clearer. As such, we have a verse that tells what a soul is [Gen 2:7], that only God has immortality [specifically 1 Tim 6:16], that man can in fact destroy a human soul (for that is what David was talking about)[Psalms 40:14 specifically]; in light of this it would seem the clearest interpretation that can be derived is that the Bible teaches body/soul/spirit wholism verses body/soul dualism.

To add a verse to further support the Gen 2:7 verse (for we should never rely on just one verse for any biblical truth) that man is a soul instead of man having a soul;

1 Corinthians 15:45 - And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

This verse supports Gen 2:7 for 1) it is talking about the same event, the creation of man, and 2) it reaffirms that man was made a living soul - not man was given a living soul.

God will destroy both body and soul in hell. The soul is not immortal.

Now lets address the Matt 10:28 verse again for a small point that might have been overlooked: Matt 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

This marks a definite separation of body from 'soul.'

To say that the soul does not die or drifts off somewhere when a person dies we'd have to eliminate Gen 2:7 and 1 Corinthians 15:45 from the Bible, which of course we cannot do. Or is there another alternative that will harmonize all of these verses? Yes there is, and the key to that is understanding the definitions of the Greek word psuche, here are the definitions from Strong:


1) breath

a) the breath of life

1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing

a) of animals

B) of men

B) life

c) that in which there is life

1) a living being, a living soul

2) the soul

a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
B) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)
Now, I must agree with definition 2a due to its agreement in harmonizing all the scriptures in play. I cannot agree with definitions 2b or 2c for those are what we are trying to prove in the first place. Also, using those definitions puts disharmony between the verses in question. You see, as I tried to explain earlier, what Christ was telling the apostles was simple; "don't fear those that can kill you, for they can't take away your reward of salvation no matter what they do, they cannot kill (def 2a) your desires, your affections i.e. what is in your heart; but God can utterly destroy you". The verse was not intended to define what a soul is, as such we must lend more weight to those verses that state outright what a soul is; the word psuche was used in this verse to denote those intangible parts of a human that cannot be harmed by man - the seat of the emotions and intellect.

Now lets look at the Old Testament and go from there:
Eccl 12:5..….. because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets: 6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

When the dust returns to the earth, and the spirit back to God who gave it, there is no longer a living soul. If the soul were immortal, then the scriptures would not speak of living, or dying souls. Of course a soul would be living if souls were immortal, and of course they would never be spoken of as dying if they were immortal either. So why do the scriptures apply both to the soul?

Ps 6:2 Have mercy upon me, O LORD; for I am weak: O LORD, heal me; for my bones are vexed. 3 My soul is also sore vexed: but thou, O LORD, how long? 4 Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies' sake. 5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

In the above, David seeks to have himself, that is his soul delivered from death, because in the grave there is no remembrance of God, and he cannot give God thanks from the grave. How is this possible if the soul is immortal? If the soul were alive and in heaven with God surely it would be praising Him. Or if it were in hell, surely it would be cursing Him.

Ps 7:1 O LORD my God, in thee do I put my trust: save me from all them that persecute me, and deliver me: 2 Lest he tear my soul like a lion, rending it in pieces, while there is none to deliver. 3 O LORD my God, if I have done this; if there be iniquity in my hands; 4 If I have rewarded evil unto him that was at peace with me; (yea, I have delivered him that without cause is mine enemy 5 Let the enemy persecute my soul, and take it; yea, let him tread down my life upon the earth, and lay mine honour in the dust. Selah.

Again what sense do the above verses make if a soul is not a living person, rather than some floating entity that lives apart from the body? Can a soul be torn to pieces? Will it end when ones life does? Yes it will.

Ps 30:2 O LORD my God, I cried unto thee, and thou hast healed me. 3 O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

How can a soul go to the grave? If it is immortal and goes to heaven or hell at death it should not be spoken of as dying and going to the grave. If on the other hand, it is a living being, then it could be said that ones soul goes to the grave when they die, it is it’s end. When life ends, it ends.

Ps 33:18 Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; 19 To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine. 20 Our soul waiteth for the LORD: he is our help and our shield. 21 For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name. 22 Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in thee.

If our souls must be delivered from death, then they are not immortal. They are like us, they are us, when we are alive. When we are raised from the dead and given everlasting life, we will again be living souls.

Ps 40:13 Be pleased, O LORD, to deliver me: O LORD, make haste to help me. 14 Let them be ashamed and confounded together that seek after my soul to destroy it; let them be driven backward and put to shame that wish me evil.

Who can destroy a soul if it is immortal? It is not. When life ends, it ends, because when one is alive, they are a living soul.

Ps 49:12 Nevertheless man being in honour abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish. 13 This their way is their folly: yet their posterity approve their sayings. Selah. 14 Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwelling. 15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah.

Again the soul being associated with life, being redeemed from the grave. If it were immortal, this would not be so.

Ps 56:12 Thy vows are upon me, O God: I will render praises unto thee. 13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death:wilt not thou deliver my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?

Again, when God delivers the soul from death, one can walk in the light of the living. Makes no sense if the soul is immortal.

Ps 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them. 50 He made a way to his anger; he spared not their soul from death, but gave their life over to the pestilence; 51 And smote all the firstborn in Egypt; the chief of their strength in the tabernacles of Ham:

God spared not the Egyptians souls from death, but killed them by the plagues. Their souls died, that is, they died. Obviously their souls were not immortal.

Ps 86:1 Bow down thine ear, O LORD, hear me: for I am poor and needy. 2 Preserve my soul; for I am holy: O thou my God, save thy servant that trusteth in thee. 3 Be merciful unto me, O Lord: for I cry unto thee daily.

Who needs their soul to be preserved if it is immortal?

Ps 89:47 Remember how short my time is: wherefore hast thou made all men in vain? 48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave? Selah.

Again, why would a soul go to the grave at death if it is immortal and goes to heaven or hell at death? It is because the body goes into the grave at death, it is a dead soul, it is not living, because the body and the breath or spirit from God have separated.

Ps 116:7 Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the LORD hath dealt bountifully with thee. 8 For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling. 9 I will walk before the LORD in the land of the living.

Because his soul was delivered from death, he will walk before the Lord in the land of the living, he is a living soul.

Ps 119:174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight. 175 Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me. 176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

Makes no sense if the soul is immortal.

Isa 38:16 O Lord, by these things men live, and in all these things is the life of my spirit: so wilt thou recover me, and make me to live. 17 Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but thou hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of corruption: for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy back. 18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth. 19 The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do this day: the father to the children shall make known thy truth.

Because he was delivered from death, his soul was delivered from the pit of corruption, that is, the grave. The living, they are the ones who praise God. The dead cannot, because they are not living souls. All such nonsense if the soul is immortal.

Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

A prophecy concerning Christ. How can a soul be an offering? A sacrifice must die. If the soul is immortal, then it cannot be a sacrifice. Yet Christ poured out His soul unto death for our sins. He died the death we deserved, and when He did, He was no longer a living soul.

Ezek 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Is God a liar? If a soul is immortal it cannot die. God says the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezek 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.

Again, the soul is identified with the person. If the person lives, the soul lives. If the person dies, the soul dies. A soul is a living person with a body combined with the breath, or spirit from God.

Matt 16: 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

How can one lose their soul, if their soul is immortal? Where could it go to get away from them.

Acts 2: 27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. 28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance. 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Christ was raised before His body saw corruption. Thus His soul was not left in hell, or the grave. He once again walked in the light of the living, that is, He became a living soul. This is our salvation. Our souls will not be left in the prison house of death, but we will once again be raised and receive the breath, or spirit of God in our spiritual bodies, and then we shall ever be with the Lord.

Acts 3: 22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Every soul that will not hear and accept Christ, will be destroyed.

1 Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

No mistake about when it is that we receive immortality. It is at the last trump, when the dead are raised incorruptible, and immortal. None of the above makes sense if the soul is immortal.

Heb 10:38-39 38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

The soul needs saving, it is not immortal.

James 5:19-20 19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

The soul needs to be saved from death, it is not immortal.


Now some people look and say it says we shall never die when they read this verse John 11:25 & 26 - Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.

I can certainly see where this verse, especially due to the use of the word never, does make it seem that the soul/spirit/something doesn't die. So let's look at this.

Reading through the verse I see some keys; 1) we see Christ saying He is the resurrection (which we all firmly believe) and 2) He talks of those that were dead. Now since we know that Christ is the resurrection (i.e. - He has the power to resurrect us) and He will resurrect those that died who believed in Him. But then Christ says "And"! Of course "and" means "in addition to". Christ is talking about two groups of believers; in verse 25 He is addressing those that died (the ones He'll raise from the grave), in verse 26 He is addressing those that will be alive when He returns - for they will put on immortality [1 Corinthians 15:53 & 54] and never die.

You have to read carefully to see there are two different groups being addressed by Christ - and recognizing that puts this verse in perfect harmony with all the other verses

Some other verses which are hard to understand are ones in Revelation so lets address the verses:
Revelation 6:9 - And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God...

Many says this leads them to believe in what is termed today as the "immortal soul". But we should bear in mind certain things when reading any prophetic book , it is the highly figurative language being used. For instance, John also saw strange beasts coming out of the sea, a woman riding a ferocious beast, another woman clothed with the sun, etc. There is all kinds of imagery used in Revelation that is symbolic of a greater truth; the souls under the alter is no exception and hardly constitutes a reliable reference in which one should base a doctrine on. The verse in Rev 18 should be questioned on this premise as well. If this verse is to be taken literally then what reason or purpose is there in stuffing martyred souls under an altar? Is this to be taken literally? Lets

Now lets look closely at the story of Lazarus in John 11:

1) Jesus is talking about the death of Lazarus. If the soul had gone to heaven or was drifting around somewhere this story would not make sense.
2) Christ says (verse 11) "Our friend Lazarus sleepeth...but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep". When questioned by the disciples it says (verse 14) "Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead". As Christ said, Lazarus was dead, utterly and completely dead, and had been dead for 4 days at this point in the chapter. Christ makes no mention as to a "sleeping soul" - Christ makes no differenciation at all in fact.
3) When Christ does eventually raise Lazarus from the tomb (verse 43), Lazarus comes forward in a regular fleshy body - not as a disembodied spirit; for he is still wearing his graveclothes and bound (as the custom of the day was) hand and foot (verse 44).

You see, that is what makes our coming ressurection a true miracle - that Christ performs another act of creation and brings us to life. There is no indication in the Bible that a disembodied soul/spirit returns to reanimate a dead body - the soul IS that dead body.

So the question here is what is a soul, and in light of the direct references (Gen 2:7 and 1 Corinthians 15:45) we know what a soul is - it is the body. The NT's psuche, is an expanded, and somewhat poetic, description for the untangible parts of a whole person such as the feelings, the desires, etc. These same attributes are also given to the heart and the mind because they help to make up a whole person.

If someone says that any part of Lazarus (or ourselves for that matter) isn't 100% dead when Christ says he is dead and doesn't further qualify His statement, then that means we are falling under the belief of the very first lie ever recorded in the Bible -
Genesis 3:4 - And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Souls can die. The souls of humans and animals can die. This is because a soul is a living being, not some form of disembodied spirit or ghost. Souls could not die if they were immortal.

Considering the above, and that the bible refers to the dead as sleeping many times (Lk 8:52&53, Jn 11:11-14, Matt 27:52, 1Thes 4:13-17, 1 Cor 15:51-55,Acts 7:59&56, 1 Cor 11:29&30, 2 Pet 3:4, Ps 13:3, IKing 2:10, 11:43, 14:20, 31, 15:8, 2 Chr 21:1 1, 26:23 , Job 7:21 , 14:10-12, Dan 12:2), and that they have no thoughts in death (Eccl 9:5-6&10, Ps 146:3-4) and do not praise God (Ps 115:17, Isa 38:18&19), and do not even remember Him or give Him thanks (Ps 6:5), I believe sleep in reference to the dead means just that, body and spirit, and therefore soul.

This is not to mention the fact also, that the dead are referred to as awaking when they are raised (Ps 17:14&15, Isa 26:19-21, Dan 12:2, Jn 11:11, Eph 5:14). Let’s not forget either that Peter said David had not yet ascended to heaven (Acts 2:29-35). That the soul is not immortal is also obvious from the fact that the bible says the wicked will perish many times (Ps 37:20, 68:1-3, 73:27, 112:10, Isa 41:11-12, Jn 3:14-18, 1 Cor 1:17-18 , II Th 2:10-12, 2 Pet 2:12, 2 Pet 3:9-12). There is more that contradicts the idea that the soul is immortal, and the dead are alive and conscious in heaven, or hell. In short, the overwhelming majority of scripture in relation to the dead, does not support the immortality of the soul, or consciousness in death.
 

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There is more that contradicts the idea that the soul is immortal, and the dead are alive and conscious in heaven, or hell. In short, the overwhelming majority of scripture in relation to the dead, does not support the immortality of the soul, or consciousness in death.
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Hobie, what are you trying to do, vex my soul unto death? Seriously, you did an outstanding job here of properly presenting the word. Very good, and very scriptural. There is the need to believe what is read in the Book, so there could be a struggle there, but God willing, we will be able to believe Him. A rather large bite to chew, nevertheless, full of life and truth. Thank you for the time and effort to share what God has shown you in His Writings.
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The Bible clearly says that the soul dies, such as God giving instructions to the high priest under the Mosaic Law covenant that "he should not come to any dead soul."(Lev 21:11) The online interlinear Scripture4all reads of Leviticus 21:11: "and on any-of souls-of one-being-dead not he-shall-enter." Anyone under the Mosaic Law who takes on the vow of a Nazarite, must "all the days of his keeping separate to Jehovah he may not come toward any dead soul."(Num 6:6; Or, “soul of someone dead.” Heb., ne´phesh meth; LXX, “deceased soul”; Sy, “soul of the dead”; Lat., mor´tu·um, “someone dead.” ) The online interlinear Scripture4all reads of Numbers 6:6: "all-of days-of to-be-sequestered-of him to-Yahweh on soul being-dead not he-shall-come." This command is reiterated in Numbers 6:11, to avoid any "dead soul."

Jesus said that "whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; but whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it. For what benefit will it be to a man if he gains the whole world but forfeits his soul ? or what will a man give in exchange for his soul ? "(Matt 16:25, 26) The online interlinear Scripture4all reads of Matthew 16:25, 26: "Who for if-ever may-be-willing the soul of-him to-save shall-be-destroying her who yet ever should-be-destroying the soul of-him on-account-of of-me shall-be finding her. Any for shall-be-being-benefited human if-ever the system whole he-should-be-gaining the yet soul of-him may-be-being-fined or any ? shall-be-giving human instead-change of-the soul of-him."

Thus, the soul is mortal, not immortal. The churches, with just a moment of unbiased examination of the Bible, could readily see that the soul is not immortal. However, it is just as Jesus said of the Jews, that "looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, neither do they get the sense of it;"(Matt 13:13) If the proper understanding of what the soul is evades the churches, then what about the "deep things of God"(1 Cor 2:10), especially of the "kingdom" ? At Matthew 13, Jesus uses the Greek word suniemi (six times), meaning "to (mentally) put together ."(Strong's 4920) Just as the nation of Israel failed to grasp that the appointed time for the Messiah had arrived in 29 C.E.(Matt 16:1-4), as seen at Daniel 9:24-27, the churches today have failed to grasp or to suniemi the Bible, unable to "put the pieces together."
 

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I thought we did the whole soul/body/spirit thing on another thread???

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The soul is not immortal,.....yet .....it if one is of the first resurrected(not subject to the second death)
or makes it to New earth at the End their soul will become immortal, there is no contradiction in the Word on this its just coming to fully understand it.

The death of one's soul is called the second death and only God can kill it, Satan has been judged to this fate of the second death his soul will be destroyed. Once ones soul is destroyed by God one ceases to exist ..they die the second death

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
 

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There is more that contradicts the idea that the soul is immortal, and the dead are alive and conscious in heaven, or hell. In short, the overwhelming majority of scripture in relation to the dead, does not support the immortality of the soul, or consciousness in death.
Hobie, what are you trying to do, vex my soul unto death?
Seriously, you did an outstanding job here of properly presenting the word.
Very good, and very scriptural. There is the need to believe what is read in the Book, so there could be a struggle there, but God willing, we will be able to believe Him. A rather large bite to chew, nevertheless, full of life and truth. Thank you for the time and effort to share what God has shown you in His Writings.
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That's a ditto for me. Hobie done an excellent job in putting
together the scriptures and allowing them to flow together.
Great Job!!!

What is the soul? This is an interesting question that I have
been asked many times in life. It is called by many names –
mind, flesh, thought, desires, lusts, ect.

Let's return to the story of Adam and Eve for a moment. Adam
and Eve ate of the tree of good and evil, at that point we are
told that their eyes were opened and they were like God. It
was not like all of a sudden they were wise and understood
everything like God did. Only God knows what is truly
righteous and what is not. What it did do is make them like
God in that they could determine for themselves what was
good and what was evil.

The first reaction that Adam and Eve had after they had eaten
the fruit was to hide. When God came to find them in the
Garden we are told in Genesis 3:10:

10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I
was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."


They determined that the fact that they were naked was
somehow wrong. Did God give them this idea? Of course
not, because in verse 11 He even asks them: “Who told
you that you were naked?” They had come to conclude
all on their own that being naked was somehow wrong.
How did they do this? Because they developed their own
conscience and this is how they became like God.

Is being naked immoral? No not in itself. Is seeing another
person naked evil? No it is not. It is what we think about
when we see ourselves or someone else naked that makes
it immoral. If I lust after a woman, lust being a characteristic
of the soul, then I am committing evil. But I may determine
that it is ok for me to do so, and thus my conscience has
intervened and made it acceptable for me to lust after some
woman who is not my wife. This would be acting like God.

I have a preacher friend that is a missionary in Africa. When
he first got there, the women would come to the church
services without wearing anything to cover their breast. He
got them some tee shirts to wear for the next service. The
next night they came in with their tee shirts on...wow...what
a relief. When he took a second look, he seen that they had
cut holes in their shirts which allowed their breast to hang
out and stay cool. You see the point...they thought nothing
of not wearing a covering over their breast but, because of
the culture that my friend lived in...he had the problem. He
thought it was wrong.

All aspects of moral decisions that we make are processed
through our souls. You may not realize this, but your soul is
making a majority of the decisions for you, especially if you
are not immersing yourself in the Spirit of God. If you decided
to follow Buddha, because you believe that his teachings are
more in line with how you view life, then you have acted in
your soul. Your own conscience has found someone other
than God to be a better source of truth, and thus a counterfeit
“spirit” has been created to allow you to follow this teaching.

For the Believer a war is constantly raging in us between
our newly resurrected spirits and our souls. Paul explains
this in Romans 7:15 when he tells us:

15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do
I do not do, but what I hate I do.


Paul is telling us that our spirits tell us that something we
are doing is wrong, but our souls say it is ok, because our
consciences have created a different morality of what is good
and evil to us. This is why Paul tells us that we must be
transformed by the renewing of our minds. He is in essence
telling us that we have to make new minds that were like that
of Adam and Eve's before they ate of the tree.


Logabe
 

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I thought we did the whole soul/body/spirit thing on another thread???

Oh well......................

The "whole soul/body/spirit thing" is obviously a subject that many still fail to understand properly, with the churches of Christendom at the forefront of telling lies about what the soul and spirit is. Jesus said of his disciples that these would "know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”(John 8:32) And grasping the true meaning of what the soul and spirit is, is vital to knowing what the Bible really teaches. The apostle Paul wrote to Timothy to "command certain ones not to teach different doctrine."(1 Tim 1:3) Hence, around thirty years after Jesus death, the infiltrating of "different doctrine" was making it's way within the Christian congregation.

And among this "different doctrine" was the immortality of the soul, for Greek philosophy had already been absorbed by Judaism, or Greco-Judaism. The Greek philosopher Plato of the fourth century B.C.E., did much to propagate the Greek notion of the immortality of the soul, with the Pharisees of the first century C.E. believing in the immortality of the soul. But what is the soul and what is the meaning of spirit ?

At Genesis 2:7, it says that "Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul." From this one Scripture, what can be seen ? That Adam was not given a soul, but that the "became a living soul." Hence, Adam is a soul, not possessing one and a "living soul" only after God "blew into his nostrils the breath of life." Prior to this, he was a "dead soul", but became a "living soul" when he was given the "breath of life" (or spirit) that "powered" him up, just as a computer is "dead" until power is turned on.

The words "breath" and spirit are interconnected, Isaiah 42:5 says that "this is what the true God, Jehovah, has said, the Creator of the heavens and the Grand One stretching them out; the One laying out the earth and its produce, the One giving breath ("breath", Hebrew nesha·mah´ ) to the people on it, and spirit ("spirit", Hebrew ru´ach ) to those walking in it:" Without breath, no human can retain their "spirit" or life force and be a "living soul", a person with "soul", life as a "soul." Hence, the soul is one with all his or her desires as person.

The soul has blood, for Jeremiah 2:34 says of the nation of Israel, that "in your skirts there have been found the blood marks of the souls of the innocent poor ones." The soul (or living soul) is a living, breathing person with all their desires that is not immortal but can die, for Ezekiel 18:4 says that "the soul that is sinning—it itself will die." 1 Kings 8:46 says that "there is no man that does not sin." The soul thus dies and that is the reason why Jesus provided the ransom, that people might have the hope of living forever on a paradise earth, remaining "living souls" on the earth or becoming "living souls" again by means of a resurrection from the dead.(Acts 24:15)

“Although the Hebrew word nefesh [in the Hebrew Scriptures] is frequently translated as ‘soul,’ it would be inaccurate to read into it a Greek meaning. Nefesh . . . is never conceived of as operating separately from the body. In the New Testament the Greek word psyche is often translated as ‘soul’ but again should not be readily understood to have the meaning the word had for the Greek philosophers. It usually means ‘life,’ or ‘vitality,’ or, at times, ‘the self.’”—The Encyclopedia Americana (1977), Vol. 25, p. 236.

Of the small number that are selected by God to go to heaven (Jesus called them a "little flock" at Luke 12:32), and remain loyal till death, these upon their death are changed into spirits, just as Jesus was. The apostle Paul wrote: "It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam (or Jesus Christ) became a life-giving spirit."(1 Cor 15:45) These hence, become spirit "sons of God" (Rom 8:17, 19), like the angels, invisible to human eyes and now reside with God in heaven, members of the "kingdom of God", that number 144,000 (Rev 7:4; 14:1), and serve in the official capacity of "kings and priests."(Rev 1:6; 5:9,10) These also are granted immortality (literally "deathlessness") from God as "sons of God".(1 Cor 15:53, 54)

Thus, the word spirit (Greek pneu´ma, Hebrew ru´ach ) can mean either God's "holy spirit"(Luke 11:13; Matt 3:16), our life force (Ps 104:29; Matt 27:50; Luke 23:46;John 19:30), angels (Heb 1:13,14), those who become "sons of God" in heaven, even wind.(John 3:8) They all refer to that which is invisible to human sight and which gives evidence of force in motion.(Luke 24:39) Such invisible force is capable of producing visible effects.