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I started going down this road because of so much Premil misinformation that I was encountering on the subject. It grieved me. One Premil quotes another. None of them actually research or verify before posting.

This has been my thesis all along. The ancient Chiliast expectation of the new earth is identical to Amils (ancient and modern)- glorified, and eternally free of the bondage of corruption.

Against Heresies Book 3, Chapter XXIII, 7 7. For this end did He put enmity between the serpent and the woman and her seed, they keeping it up mutually: He, the sole of whose foot should be bitten, having power also to tread upon the enemy's head; but the other biting, killing, and impeding the...

What? You just fabricated a whole argument to support modern-day Premil by inventing your own quotes and attributing them to Irenaeus. Shame on you! You have misled the reader - Amil and Premil. And there is not even the slightest shame or the slightest apology in your response. A normal...

Where are you getting all this? Are you making it up to support your error? I cannot find this in any of Irenaeus' writings. Did you find this in a Premil clown book?

LOL. All noise. Zero evidence. This is getting like a clown show.

I cannot find any Chapter 32 in Irenaeus' Against Heresies, Book V.

Where is this? Against Heresies (Book V, Chapter 31) 1. Since, again, some who are reckoned among the orthodox go beyond the pre-arranged plan for the exaltation of the just, and are ignorant of the methods by which they are disciplined beforehand for incorruption, they thus entertain...

All noise and no evidence. This says it all! The other one was built upon the teaching of the Pagan prophetesses. This sums up your Premil doctrine.

Where in Against Heresies, Book 5 did you get that quote? What are you scared of? Or, did someone give you that and you don't have a clue how to verify it?

It is truly not surprising. That is how he operates. He is over his head. That is why all the avoidance and the pettiness. Also, he is quoting an ancient writer who derived his doctrine from the pagans, not Scripture. Makes him a good early Premil. This is the problem with not knowing the...

Where in Against Heresies, Book 5?

This is the theology of heretics. Look where he got his info, not Scripture!!! Why do you not acknowledge that?

Yes, He is reigning now. He is king of kings and Lord of Lords. Premillennialism has a big devil a small Jesus. Amillennialism has a big Jesus and a small devil. They dethrone Him from the right hand of majesty on high. This is convenient for some, because they then have man calling the shots...

I am glad you brought Lactantius up! You can paper over the pagan source of Lactantius' teaching all you want but it exposes the dubious origin of ancient Premil. Apart from the heretic Cerinthus of Asia Minor (50-100 AD) and Marcion of Sinope, Asia Minor (Born: 85 AD, Died: 160 AD), Lactantius...

Where in Against Heresies, Book 5?

Hebrews 1:1-3, 2:8-10 says, “God … Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things … Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins...

More avoidance because you have zero evidence. The reader will see that you are devoid of any historic evidence. If you had it, you would give it. This is all party political posturing. It is all noise. This is the new Premil tactic on discussion forums. This is all they have, along with petty...

The exercising of all authority in heaven and on earth, the sovereign reigning over all His enemies, align with the binding of Satan from deceiving the Gentiles no more. Deceiving the nations no more is talking about the enlightenment of the Gentiles 2000 years ago. The word interpreted "the...

Premils are selective in their quoting of this passage. Rather than quote the full verse they just quote part of it. They side-step the 1st part of that text and only highlight the 2nd in order to deny the current kingship of Christ, and dilute His control over all mankind. What is more, this is...