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No brother. The events that Christ spoke of are about the 1st six seals. The beginning of sorrows is the first four seals. The great tribulation is the 5th seal and the coming of Jesus immediately after the tribulation (which is not the wrath of God) occurs at the 6th seal. John had a vision of...

LOL. I was speaking the truth. Spiritualizing the Word of God or making the Word of God say what you want it say is not understanding the Word of God.

Hey. Pretty good. They are 144,000 men of Israel as you say. But they are not the end times remnant. The are the first fruits of the second harvest of the fig tree.

Have claimed the 6th seal has occurred? No. Have I claimed any seals are opened? No. Well, I guess you have your answer.

And therein lies the problem. So I'm wrong for believing the written Word of God. But you think you are right because you don't believe the written Word of God. That sums it up. It makes total and complete sense to me and makes no sense to you. They are acceptable first fruits of the second...

Yes, I see what you did. You put in a qualifier. Daniel 12:1-2 also has a qualifier. The end of the great tribulation occurs at the 6th seal. Maybe this verse comes to mind............Immediately after the tribulation of those day............Which is the great tribulation. I don't find it...

Oh boy. Where do you get this stuff? Is this something that you have found on the internet, at a church, or is this your own conclusion? So there is not one word that there is a gathering from heaven and earth at the sixth seal. Well, is there any words about the gathering from heaven and earth...

Let's stick to the scriptures in question. The Word says Michael will stand up and there will be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation, even to that same time. At that time the people of Daniel will be delivered, everyone that shall be written in the book. The Word only...

This is just not true. You are misunderstanding what the scripture is saying. When I point out to you the truth all you say is that the seals don't occur when they are opened, even though in John's revelation it says.................and when he opened (whatever seal) I SAW. In other words, when...

How do you not understand that you are proving my point? And Abraham sojourned in the Philistines land MANY days.................... Did Abraham sojourn in the Philistines land ALL of his days or MANY days? MANY DAYS. Genesis 22 2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou...

Here is a rapture that occurs at the 6th seal. But you think this event occurs at the end of wrath........I think. Which it does not. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from...

If you have even the slightest ability of deductive reasoning, you should be able to conclude that Jesus comes for A rapture at the 6th seal. The sixth seal is not after the vials of wrath which are in the 7th seal...............so you are in error. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the...

And yet you can't produce anything I am adding, but I can produce plenty that you are leaving out. Darby was a man that believed that there would be a nation of Israel when there wasn't one for over 1700 years. Darby was correct. Sorry. Daniel 12 is talking about MANY of the people that sleep...

I guess it's possible to make these conclusions..........if you only cherry pick and read half the Bible. Oh, jumping right to the end and leaving out the great multitude that has been raptured to heaven...........removed from the earth in two folds. I think I was pretty clear. I guess you...

I'm going to have to go with God on this. There are two folds. The Gentiles will be the first fold as we know Jesus as Lord and He knows us. Then God will turn His attention to His Chosen and part of Israel will have its blindness removed. That begins with 144,000 first fruits that are redeemed...

1. The seals are in chronological order. 2. The events happen when the seals are opened. In your opinion what is the order of the 7 seals?

Absolutely not. Rev 7:1-8 is the first fruits of the second fold. Revelation 7: 9-12 is the great multitude which consists of both folds. Revelation 7:13-17 talks of the second fold that comes out of great tribulation. I disagree with what you said also, but there are two folds because...

A plethora of scripture of which this is a small part. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 shows that Jesus sends His angels to gather elect form heaven and earth at the 6th seal. This is a rapture and is not Armageddon at the end of wrath. There is a great multitude, some of which come out of...

Yes, I was being sarcastic. And as you said, they have numbers for a reason.

I can't help but laugh brother. I have heard so much unscriptural nonsense on this board that I wanted to throw out my own nonsense. That fact that you bought it even though I said this...................."It is a figment of a whim of what is to come when 4th seal happens at the very end."...