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I don't follow what you believe exactly. The 6th seal is the second coming, on that we seem to agree. But Jesus does not come the earth at the 6th seal. He remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper of the...

Each man in his order............first fruits and then they that are Christs at His coming. Why do you think there are 144,000 first fruits from 12 tribes of Israel?

I believe that the election never had blindness to begin with. They saw that Jesus was the Messiah and the rest were blinded. Did any of the Jews that were blinded have their blindness removed in Paul's day? Yes, of course. Paul preached to both Jew and Gentile. In Acts 18 we see he became...

The Word says that Jesus wanted to gather the Jews, AND THEY WOULD NOT. Matthew 23 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings...

That's Jesus that comes at the 6th seal, not Satan.

LOL. Your blindness has no limits. You just babble away with no thought or logic or understanding. The blind leading the blind. Can you provide any post made before today in the history of this forum that says that the pre tribulation rapture occurs at the 6th seal? The sixth seal happens...

The seals are not in order. The seventh seal happens before the seals are opened. It is a figment of a whim of what is to come when 4th seal happens at the very end. And don't forget about the 6th vial that was poured out in WW I.

Excellent false conclusion of what I believe. Also well done setting up that straw man and knocking it down. Romans 11 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 (According as it is written, God hath given...

It's okay. I know that you don't understand there are two harvests. So how could you possibly understand what the two folds are. If you think that a small number of Jews, the elect, that understood Jesus is the Messiah represented a fold of sheep, you are sadly mistaken. The rest of the sheep...

Agreed. The tribulation of those days is the great tribulation which will be over before the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. The wrath of God is the 7th seal which contains the 7 trumpets and 7 vials of wrath.

And yet the Church is known by Him, and we hear His voice. Blindness will not be removed until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Your opinions have no scriptural support, so why do you believe what you have been taught? And you can provide no scriptural support for the opinions that you...

You are incorrect because no harvest has happened. A fold being described is believers. That is the Church. But the Lord Himself has not come for His bride, therefore the first fold has not been brought to the Fathers house. Has a harvest occurred? No. That will not happen until the rapture of...

And yet your opinion does not have any scriptural support. The first fold are the Gentiles as blindness is not removed from part of Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.........Romans 11 Additionally, the Jews went to Baalpeor and it was determined that the fathers of the Jews...

Why do you keep dancing around the facts? It's because you do not understand that there are two raptures as there are two folds. When He COMES for the Church, that is the first fold as the Church are believers that are known by God and we know Him. It is the first harvest. Other sheep not of...

And yet the scripture says that the first fold is those that are known by Jesus and we know Him. Denying the facts of scripture does not change the truth. Sorry. God saw the fathers of Israel as the first fruits of the fig tree AT HER FIRST TIME. But they served Baalpeor. In other word God saw...

You have got it backwards. The other sheep not of this fold are the Jews, not the Gentiles. It is the Gentiles that are known by God as we are His sheep, and we hear His voice. The Jews are yet blinded for the most part and will not have blindness removed until the fulness of the Gentiles comes...

New bodies are given when the Lord comes. Simple enough. You just don't see that He comes. Sorry, I did not make myself clear. When I said Jews, I meant the seed of the woman, Israel, the twelve tribes across the earth. Those that believe will be raptured at the 6th seal. That is the gathering...

I am fully aware of these verses. I am also fully aware that there are two folds in John 10. Each fold comes in separately. The first fold is known by the Lord and we know Him. After the fulness of the Gentiles comes in blindness is removed from part of Israel and they become the second fold. I...

Agreed. The great tribulation which is the 5th seal is not the wrath of God which is the seventh seal. The Church will be in heaven before these things come to pass. It is the Jews that will see all these things come to pass. The Church can escape all these things that come to pass and stand...

The 7th seal contains all the trumpets and vials and not just the last one.