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Before you can place the events of 1 Cor 15:51-52 and 1 Thess 4:15-17 at a pretribulation rapture, you first must prove that said pretribulation rapture exists in the first place. Your premise that these two passages belong to a pretribulation rapture assumes that said pretribulation rapture...

That's not what Romans 9 says.

How about actually backing up your arrogance statements.

Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their...

Speaking of facts... Paul taught that the dead would rise first before anyone remaining would be caught up. He reiterated this by saying that those who are alive and remain shall by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. In John's gospel, it was well understood that Lazarus would be...

So, do you actually have scripture to back up what you're saying or are you just parroting what you heard from behind a pulpit?

Isaiah 45:4 For Jacob My servant’s sake, And Israel My elect, (Strong's 972) I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me Psalm 105:6 Remember His marvelous works which He has done, His wonders, and the judgments of His mouth, O seed of Abraham His...

We're in agreement. I think you may have misread my post. The pretrib doctrine asserts that the elect of Matthew 24 refers solely to the physical nation of Israel, which doesn't line up with the words of Paul to the Colossians.

Matthew 24:21-22 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s (Strong's #1588) sake those days will be shortened...

That's a little more than what I said. My point is that while it was well thought out and well written, there were many points made in the OP that run contrary to what the Bible says, and that those who are in agreement with his post may want to exercise some discernment. There's no prize for...

A distinct and identifiable event? You mean like wars and rumors of wars, nations rising against nations and kingdoms against kingdoms, famines, persecution, and the rise of false prophets? You ask for a sound biblical argument, but we both know that you aren't going to accept it unless it says...

You wouldn't listen anyway, so why should I waste my time? Makes more sense? Jesus said that many would fall away from the faith in the end times and therefore would be biblically consistent to believe that when Paul mentions an apostasy, he's talking about the defection from the faith that...

The pre-tribulation rapture is false doctrine and a simple reading of the Bible would show it. This whole thread is nauseating. I would make an attempt at refuting the claims made in the OP, but I simply don't have the time nor the energy. I would encourage everyone to set your pet doctrines...

Yes, but it's almost always mixed with unbiblical doctrine and your interpretation is loaded with assumptions.

Do those who have received the Holy Spirit obstinately hold to doctrine that is in clear contradiction to scripture?

Once again, doctrine is causing the confusion. Revelation 21:9-10 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and...

2 Thessalonians 1:5 - 2:4 All this is evidence that God's judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well...

I believe in going by what the Bible says, taking caution to not go beyond what's written. I believe that the Bible, from one end to the other, is one cohesive whole. In other words, everything in it must agree with everything else in it, and what we see as being a discrepancy is an error of...

Revelation 21:2-3 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be...

Please provide biblical evidence of the parts in bold as they relate to the context of your post. For example, give biblical evidence that believers are taken to heaven at the "rapture".