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Is grace the same as love ? Love covers a multitudes of sins ? God loves you and forgive you of your sins God so love the world, sent his son to die so sin can be covered by him ?

Revelation 3:19 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. In the OSAS belief ? Why would God correct, beat his children with stern words and punishment ? My thought is why is this needed if we are OSAS and cannot overcome the so call sin nature ?

As this was written to the Laodicean church Angel(minister). It seem to be for him but in verse 20 If any man -seem to be to more than one. I would think that this letter is to rebuke anybody in that church that was in that condition lukewarm. So no, not everyone is labeled lukewarm if they are...

They had a covering of God on them before the fall. They lost something from within to cause them to fear God and hid themselves with leaves. God gave them a choice covering for salvation if they choose it. God gave Adam another 930 years, that was a temporary life span. But they were going to...

They died, that is proof They must had lost a covering first and then they got a temporary covering and later a resurrection.

God's words are instruction for us to follow, either way its a sin if you break it

I agree not everybody was a failure in those churches, but there was a problem in those churches. Maybe a majority was a problem in some of those churches. The candlestick represented the church of Lord. His church is the people salvation to get to the Lord. He Places his ministers in the church...

They had a laws. Do not eat of the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. Put on the covering. replenish the Earth .................... ……………....

Well your past sins has to be forgiven to have the seal of God placed upon you. That's common sense You will not receive the HG without repentance of your past sins. Your future sins will depend on the mercy of God.

I think this is talking about when you first time come to the Lord. You unknowingly know about all sins committed or understand it all. So all your past sins are forgiven, now you are a clean vessel to receive the HG baptism . Colossians 2:11-13 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the...

Some think that they had eternal life abiding in them. They rejected God's law and lost their eternal life. So to say they had the Holy Ghost and lost it. I agree about God covering them, giving them hope in not being lost. Their own covering was not expectable to cover their sins.

Now we are talking about the fallen angels that sinned. Were these fallen angels under the care of God ? Were angels saved before they fell. Did they have laws that they could break ? It must be the OSAS did not exist in heaven for them. Those who rejected God, even tho they knew God are lost...

What about those heavenly angels. They believed in God, surely God loved them. Yet some lost out and sinned. Maybe in the same situation as Adam and Eve. Made good and failed later. Angels cast out and Adam and Eve cast out also. What about a sinner who gets saved, all sins forgiven made a new...

John 3:13 Jesus said while he was here. 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

A person who come to God because the wanted to be saved from death. He believe and call on salvation, so now he is OSAS ?? But....the person didn't come because he loved God, just wanted to be saved from death. Is this type of person saved ? If he dies this way

Well either way the church or some people in the church somebody was lukewarm. If the whole church was lukewarm, then everyone was in trouble. you got two groups mixed up Ephesus church needed to repent or lose their candlestick salvation. Laodicean church saints were lukewarm also needed to...

OK....maybe I don't understand you. Who is lukewarm ? one person or a collective or the system He is rebuking and chastening them. told to repent Any man hear my voice. to him that overcometh I read it he talking to the saints who are lukewarm in that church group. What am I missing ?

all three Baptism isn't a choice you will have them if you are faithful to the faith

So the CHURCH would be the laymen and official that are lukewarm ? and or somebody is being lukewarm at a lower level than an overcomer. So a lower leveler believer can't make it right ?