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Several translations use "us" in place of "them" in the passage of Revelation. That would imply that the elders are the redeemed. And even that makes sense since Peter calls us a "royal priesthood" 1 Peter 2:9. And the only other reference to a group being divided into 24 is when David...

Revelation 19:14, there is nothing there that refutes the idea that they are the saints. It just says armies. You are just applying your view of who you think it is. And regarding hagios being holy ones, Yes, James Strong says that about the word. But not only that. He also says it means...

Ok... then how is it that those that overcome are ruling with a rod of iron with Him? And since that letter was written to those in Thyatira it has to mean them and all that follow of the redeemed, as not only was each letter to a particular church, but also for all the churches. Revelation...

Ok. Then how could Enoch say this......... Jude 1:14 (NKJV) Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, If the Lord is accompanied by some "angel army", they must be saints. OR.... they are the redeemed...

Yes, scripture is indisputable. Who is ruling with a rod of iron during the millennial kingdom? And the question I asked in another thread... are angels considered saints? Actually, even the bad angels are not annihilated. The live for eternity just like anyone else. Just that they suffer...

Well, it shows you have no understanding of the pre-trib position. And you do not understand the relationship of the 1st century Hebrew marriage that Yeshua refers to many times and how it aligns with that. Especially since the Hebrew marriage alignment started at the last supper and continues...

Revelation 2:26-27 And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations— 27 ‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron; They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter's vessels’—as I also have received from My Father; Just as there are immortals among...

I could say the same for you. The allegorical approach to scripture exegesis you ascribe to can really lead one on a Alice in Wonderland fantasy trail. I digress... it saddens me that I lowered myself to your level. Please forgive me, Abba.

Especially in conjunction with Isaiah 26:19-21. Along with Psalms 27:5.

I think Dave L lost the argument in this thread.

Yes they did. Either that or Ezra and Nehemiah were lying to us. Ezra called his group from Babylon Jews 9 times and Israel 40 times. Nehemiah called his group from Babylon Jews 11 times and Israel 22 times. Anna was from Asher, a norther tribe in the book of Luke. 700 years after the...

I guess Ezra was just got ahold of some dessert weed to call the group he brought back from Babylon Jews 9 times and all Israel 40 times. And Nehemiah got into the same stuff to call his group Jews 11 times and all Israel 22 times. Either that or they were lying. No, they were level headed...

There is a lot out there. I did a search some time ago on just "apostasia departure" just to see how widespread the concept was and tons of articles popped up. Many of them from theology professors. I found scholars from the UK and S. Africa also that support it. And that was only on the...

Too bad it doesn't say that the USS Liberty, while a Navy ship, was under control the National Security Agency (NSA) and was collecting what intelligence calls 'electronic dust'. Basically the Liberty was collecting all radio traffic going on in the '67 war and was high speed forwarding it to...

But every English translation prior to the KJV, the Latin Vulgate (the standard bible of the church for 1200 years) and a host of Greek scholars disagree with you on this. There are a handful of newer translations that also disagree with you. I realize that some venerate James Strong's...

No, it is reading the text as it is written. The context of the passage is laid out in verse one by Paul...... 2 Thessalonians 2:1 (1599 Geneva Bible) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him The Thessalonians had been persuaded by...

How so? I see it just like Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah viewed things..... Daniel 3:17-18 (NKJV) If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us from your hand, O king. 18 But if not, let it be known to you, O king...

And that is telling right there. You are looking forward to the brethren going thru that time? You are in worse shape than even I thought. Now if you look forward to going thru it, feel free to head out on your own. Many of us will not follow your lead. But given that Paul made it clear...

You must have a secular job of selling prepper stuff to want to hold so tight to a “we all have to go thru it” position. You are free to go thru that period. Many of us won’t and be watching from the mezzanine.

I contend you are not staying with scripture enough. 2 Chronicles has several passages where many of the northern tribes migrated southward and joined with the southern tribes. One of those was over 100 years AFTER the Assyrian conquest of the northern kingdom. Ezra calls his returning...