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  1. Athanasius377

    Is Purgatory, Limbo, and Hades, bascally Greek Myths or just Mistranslation.

    So lets put this back into context: And Pharaoh answered, “Go up, and bury your father, as he made you swear.” 7 So Joseph went up to bury his father. With him went up all the servants of Pharaoh, the elders of his household, and all the elders of the land of Egypt, 8 as well as all the...
  2. Athanasius377

    Is Purgatory, Limbo, and Hades, bascally Greek Myths or just Mistranslation.

    Lets start with the actual quote: One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we...
  3. Athanasius377

    Is Purgatory, Limbo, and Hades, bascally Greek Myths or just Mistranslation.

    Um no. Lets put this back into context. Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband...
  4. Athanasius377

    Is Purgatory, Limbo, and Hades, bascally Greek Myths or just Mistranslation.

    But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to...
  5. Athanasius377

    Is Purgatory, Limbo, and Hades, bascally Greek Myths or just Mistranslation.

    Another out of context proof text that really doesn’t say what you are twisting it to say. So lets put this back into context: Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7...
  6. Athanasius377

    Is Purgatory, Limbo, and Hades, bascally Greek Myths or just Mistranslation.

    Lets read the text for ourselves: 19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20 And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21 who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover...
  7. Athanasius377

    Is Purgatory, Limbo, and Hades, bascally Greek Myths or just Mistranslation.

    Not so fast. This is reading something into the text that isn’t there. Since this teaching is in all three of the synoptic Gospels lets see what Mark and Luke report: Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, 29 but whoever...
  8. Athanasius377

    Is Purgatory, Limbo, and Hades, bascally Greek Myths or just Mistranslation.

    You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You...
  9. Athanasius377

    Is Purgatory, Limbo, and Hades, bascally Greek Myths or just Mistranslation.

    Lets define what purgatory is first: III. The Final Purification, or Purgatory 1030 All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary...
  10. Athanasius377

    Did this Archbishop's statement come out wrong?

    As an Anglican the best thing that could happen would be the disestablishment of the Church of England. This sort of theological drift began in the 19th century and has festered every since so as to take over the entire denominational structure. That is not to say there are not orthodox...
  11. Athanasius377

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    Fair enough. I would say the Jerome also quotes pagan authors that no Christian would cite as authoritative such as Cicero. A familiarity of said texts does not equal they are the authoritative God Breatheed Scripture. The apocryphal writings are important and we read them as part of our...
  12. Athanasius377

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    Lets look at a preceeding paragraphs: 4. Being thirty years old when He came to be baptized, and then possessing the full age of a Master, He came to Jerusalem, so that He might be properly acknowledged6 by all as a Master. For He did not seem one thing while He was another, as those affirm who...
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    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    Easy. Capital Punishment for one. 2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives...
  14. Athanasius377

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    Once again we are dealing with out of context proof texts that really doesn't say what you someone told you it said. The quotation is in two parts but spliced together to make Jerome say something he doesn't say. Your argument is ingenious, but you do not see that it goes against Holy...
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    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    The problem with Against Heresies is that there are things he says that even you would disagree with are out of the bounds or orthodoxy. For example, like Jesus Christ being 50 years old when he was crucified as part of his recapitulation theory: But, besides this, those very Jews who then...
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    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    JND Kelley is writing a concise article on each of the Popes as Rome counts them. He does not discuss any textual issues in the Mss. Also JND Kelley from the same work: In the late 2nd or early 3rd century the tradition identified Peter as the first bishop of Rome. This was a natural...
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    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    Besides the fact that the word sacred does not appear in the text nor is they any textual evidence that I can find showing a Mss with a textual variant using said word the idea that the letter is debate is laughable on its face. Its a letter consoling Eustochium on the loss of her mother Paula...
  18. Athanasius377

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    Ok, so lets put this back into context. And for the record its actually Book II section 33 not book 11 because there are only three books in Jerome's apology. In reference to Daniel my answer will be that I did not say that he was not a prophet; on the contrary, I confessed in the very...
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    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    Once again, just because the books may have been attached to Greek translation of the parts of the OT does not mean they were scripture. Were these books ever: -Laid up in the Temple? -Make the hands unclean? -Referred to as scripture by the NT writers with the introduction "It is written", or...
  20. Athanasius377

    Where did we get The Bible? - A IN-DEPTH STUDY

    Actually, there are parts of "Against Heresies" that are disputed and this is one such passage. It is a Latin translation of a Greek original the earliest of which we have dates from the end of the Fourth century at the earliest. JND Kelley observes: To illustrate his argument Irenaeus...