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  1. oldhermit

    'For' or 'because of' the remission of sins

    It has been a long time since I have read Robertson. Perhaps you could provide some of the examples he uses from scripture where he thinks eis can be translated as 'because of'.
  2. oldhermit

    'For' or 'because of' the remission of sins

    Apparently, not very many. That is why scripture is so badly perverted by so many people and treated with such contempt in general. When you throw out all the rules, you can then do anything you want.
  3. oldhermit

    'For' or 'because of' the remission of sins

    I am not trying to be condescending or rude but, I really do not understand what you are trying to demonstrate by these passages, and I am not sure you do either. Εἰς is NOT used synonymously with διὰ or ὅτι. With the genitive, the preposition διὰ can mean 'by', 'through', or even 'during'. With...
  4. oldhermit

    'For' or 'because of' the remission of sins

    This is utter nonsense. First of all, unto never means 'because of' but, I do not care what the definition of 'for' or 'unto' is in English. We are not talking about English. Yes, εἰς always takes the accusative, and ἄφεσιν is in the accusative. In English, anytime you have "of," it is...
  5. oldhermit

    The Book of Enoch

    Since Jude wrote by inspiration, this means his source of information was the Lord, not legend or stories passed down from one generation to the next.
  6. oldhermit

    The Book of Enoch

    According to Biblical chronology, Enoch lived between 622 to 987 after creation. When Enoch was alive, Adam was still living. The earliest known example of written language would not appear for about another 1000 years, probably developed by the Akkadians.
  7. oldhermit

    The Book of Enoch

    I wonder if it has ever occurred to anyone that Enoch left this world about 1000 years before the development of any written language?
  8. oldhermit

    The Book of Enoch

    Does anyone actually believe Enoch wroth the "Book of Enoch?"
  9. oldhermit

    The Book of Enoch

    How would you think the other NT writers received the information they wrote?
  10. oldhermit

    The Book of Enoch

    Jude did not quote from the so-called "Book of Enoch". He quoted from Enoch. That is not the same thing. The book of Enoch is nothing more than a pseudo-document that neither the Hebrews nor the first century Christians recognized as inspired.
  11. oldhermit

    Did Jesus leave us with a religion??

    I certainly will not deny that is most often the case. Scripture does tell us however, that this is such a thing as pure and undefiled religion. Anything else is a deception.
  12. oldhermit

    Did Jesus leave us with a religion??

    I think men have marginalized the word religion in an attempt to convey an idea that could have been easily conveyed in another way. Men have tried to separate the idea of ritualistic or systematic worship from the relationship of the worshiper to God. While the idea of relationship over...
  13. oldhermit

    Paul's Thorn In The Flesh=Not a Sickness but a Messenger of Satan to buffet me.

    Here is how Paul dealt with his thorn in the flesh. In Phil.4, Paul opens a line of reasoning in verses 4-7 that presents us with a formula for psychological soundness. He begins by linking one's potential for psychological soundness to the unseen. "Rejoice in the Lord always; again, I will...
  14. oldhermit

    Paul's Thorn In The Flesh=Not a Sickness but a Messenger of Satan to buffet me.

    In Paul's case, his thorn in the flesh was the persecutions he was given to endure. What is remarkable, is how he was able to endure these things without being psychology overwhelmed.
  15. oldhermit

    'For' or 'because of' the remission of sins

    Yea, I saw you had been banned, I figured that was why.
  16. oldhermit

    'For' or 'because of' the remission of sins

    Well, I really was not looking to discuss the soteriological implications surrounding the use of εἰς at this point. What I am more concerned with on this thread is looking at the rules of grammar that govern the syntax of the verse. All languages have rules for grammar and syntax that cannot be...
  17. oldhermit

    'For' or 'because of' the remission of sins

    You have to be careful when you use the list of renderings given by Strong's. He has an unfortunate tendency to offers definitions in his comprehensive segment that cannot be demonstrated. I am not sure where he gets some of his definitions because for some of them, there are no such examples...
  18. oldhermit

    'For' or 'because of' the remission of sins

    It makes a great deal of difference. The attempt is being made to change the definition of εἰς to mean 'because of' rather than 'into' so that some can argue that baptism is because of the remission of sins rather that to obtain the remission of sins.
  19. oldhermit

    'For' or 'because of' the remission of sins

    Actually, it is an opinion held by many within the various groups.
  20. oldhermit

    'For' or 'because of' the remission of sins

    Robertson attempts to make an argument for 'because of'. If you do not know who A.T. Robertson is, he is one of the foremost Greek scholars of the twentyth century. In spite of his considerable reputation and skills as a Greek scholar, he has simply missed it on this point.