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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    What specifically is "on me"? I believe also in Joh 3:3, 3:5 and 3:7 concerning regeneration (the new birth). Nothing Jesus said to Nicodemus contradicts what Solomon spoke in Ecclesiastes. As for Joh 3:36. John here is contrasting the two elements of the soul: "flesh" (not believing, not...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Scripture tells us using clear and unambiguous terms where the body and it's nature (the flesh) departs to and where the spirit of man goes upon death. And it's for all. Not just "Christ Rejectors", or those "never born again", but rather for all. Ecc 3:20 All go to one place; all are from...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    It depends on your understanding of the term "devil" and/or "Satan". Peter's fleshly desires, called the interests "of man", were specifically rebuked by Jesus as being of "Satan" (Mat 16:23, Mar 8:33). Was Peter born of God and did Peter have eternal life when he tried to prevent Jesus going...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    I'm not able to find any passage in the NT where "ἀπόλλυμι" means to "stray" or "straying" or to "wander" in context. Perhaps you could find one for me. To stray or wander about would be translated from the Greek word "πλανάω", found here: 1Pe 2:25 For you were straying (Gk "πλανωμενα")...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Judas was born to fulfill prophecy. And, he did exactly what he was ordained by God to do. I even underlined that part of the text to emphasis the context of Joh 17:12. It would have been better for Judas not to have been born to fulfill that roll of prophecy. However, betrayal in order to...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Yes, the term "perdition" (Gk: ἀπώλεια) is a noun derived from the Greek term ἀπόλλυμι having a meaning of destroyed fully, complete ruin and total destruction. It's the same term used by Jesus in Luk 19:10, the "lost" sheep of Israel (Mat 15:24), etc., of which we're told He came to seek...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Yes, God does love the entire human race, however, He does not love us according to our flesh, but rather spirit. There is nothing good in the flesh to be loved (Rom 7:18) The flesh profits nothing (Joh 6:63) The flesh is death (Rom 8:6) Etc., etc. Simply do a word study of the terms...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Nowhere does scripture limit reconciliation to only an "elect world". Here are the scriptures regarding the reconciliation that Christ achieved using the terms "world" and "all things", by God in Christ to Himself: Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    LOL... Mat 19:25 When the disciples heard this they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?" Mat 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." It's hard to believe I'm on a "Christian" forum....
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    The atoning death of Christ is the Gospel: 1Co 15:1 Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, 1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Who said Judas "was in heaven"? I specifically gave scriptures that testify where Judas is. Pertaining to both his flesh and spirit.
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Please excuse my previous post, I'm new here and learning the "reply" methods. But yes, that was the scripture I was also referencing. Judas was the son of perdition, called "lost" by Jesus. And that is specifically for whom Christ died. "To seek and to save the lost" (Luk 19:10)
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Yes, it's about Judas. That's the scripture I also quoted in post #83 for context.
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    The phrase "his own place" is the earth from which all are formed (Gen 2:7) Job 34:15 all flesh would perish together, and man would return to dust. Ecc 3:20 All go to one place; all are from the dust, and all turn to dust again. Ecc 12:5 they are afraid also of what is high, and terrors...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Yes, He did. Jesus was sent to save lost souls, of which Judas was. Joh 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name, which thou hast given me; I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled. However, Judas will be saved...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    John Calvin never got it right, either. He was a follower of Augustine. The revelation that pertains to God's will (that is: to unite all things in Christ in the fullness of times) was not revealed to Calvin or Augustine, or for that matter Arminius and all their followers. Thank-you Jesus...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    That's the Augustinian retort. He was wrong then, it was also wrong when Calvin repeated it and it's still wrong today.
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    All things are in Christ. Col 1:16 for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities--all things were created through him and for him. Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    I'm simply giving you scripture. That's all I've done and that should have been obvious. As for placing me on ignore, thank-you.