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Please notice that my OP request is quite specific. If a virgin decides to stay a virgin, become a nun, or other, okay... This is not what my request is to discuss. The topic is if a man lies with a single female virgin. God instructs the man must marry her. I have gone back and forth with...

At the bottom of post #62, I offered the following response: A single female virgin is coerced, raped, seduced, or other. Heck, she is even seen crying out. Based upon the Bible, the resolution is as follows: A: The rapist pays the father, and also marries her. Under the contract of marriage...

Let me see if I fully understand what you are contemplating here... The two, which had sex, was a mutual act. But if the dad finds out, and does not approve, he labels the act as his "rape against her" anyways?

(Part 2) No more than my current 'beef' with Xenu, the God of Scientology :) Maybe if I read it more, Xenu will finally reveal himself to me, like he does to so many others. I'm not trying to mock you, but please observe how disrespectful and condescending your response looks to me and...

(Part 1; due to the 1,000 character limit in response).... Kool. So the "agenda" of the NIV, for instance, is to lead people astray... What does this mean exactly? And how do you know? I've read the Verses repeatedly. Like I stated prior, many things sound okay, elsewhere. But this...

God's favor looks to be for the father and/or the male, over and above the female. When we explore the topic, as a whole, yes. --> "Women's rights" do surface :)

Maybe you'll respond here, where @TLHKAJ has not. If Verses 28-29 where only speaking about absolutely mutually exclusive premarital sex between two consenting people, do you actually think some Biblical translations would use the word 'rape'? You think some translations would be THIS clumsy...

Verse (1 Corinthians 11:3) instructs His followers as such.... God>Jesus>man>woman -Jesus submits to God, but Jesus does not submit to man and/or woman. -Man submits to Jesus and God, but the man does not submit to any woman. -Woman submits to God, Jesus, and man; but God, Jesus, and man do not...

I'll be happy to address additional topics; once mine has been addressed. Can you please explain post #62 (i.e.): A single female virgin is coerced, raped, seduced, or other. Heck, she is even seen crying out. Based upon the Bible, the resolution is as follows: A: The rapist pays the father...

I've already acknowledges this, with additional Verse (1 Corinthians 11:3). God>Jesus>man>woman -Jesus submits to God, but Jesus does not submit to man and/or woman. -Man submits to Jesus and God, but the man does not submit to the woman. -Woman submits to God, Jesus, and man; but God, Jesus...

Sure, this would all be well and good if the woman was not also told to submit in everything. She is not going to tell his husband no. Why? She is told to submit in everything (ala Ephesians 5:22-24). Key phrase "submit in everything".

I already acknowledged this in the OP. Yes, the husband has duties too. But the woman submits to the man. Thus, if the two are married, and the husband wishes to have physical relations, and she does not, she is to submit. Her consent is not required. If you re-read the OP, you will...

Straight from God's mouth: 22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their...

Thank you very much. Thus far, your response seems right on point, as with my OP. God's law provides the following choices (as per post #62): A single female virgin is coerced, raped, seduced, or other. Heck, she is even seen crying out. Based upon the Bible, the resolution is as follows: A...

For those who desire logic, please see post #49 (i.e.): The NIV would not be THIS clumsy, and use the term "rape", if Verses 28-29 were merely ONLY speaking about "completely consensual sex."

Kool. No problem, I guess enjoy repeating the Verses you like, over and over again :) I've only repeated criteria for which people ignore. Seems as though no one here wants to address them. I find this arena does not seem to be a true apologetics forum, but is instead an echo chamber of...

On the contrary, I feel I have to repeat myself, because they are not taking what I have stated into consideration. I feel I have addressed all given concerns, more than once. I have a feeling that you may be, in part, bowing out because maybe I'm making some points which seem uncomfortable...

I would appreciate your input to my current synopsis. I'm placing a lot of stuff out there. Please hack away at it, if you feel you can :) I would love to be proven wrong :)

In the given situation, there exists three possible interactive or integral participants. 1. The single virgin female 2. The male whom had relations with her (in rape, coercion, seduction, other) 3. The father of the single virgin female If the father was not the 'central focus', then who else...

My objective here is not to discuss topics for which we would all agree. That would be nothing more than existing in an 'echo chamber'. Of course the Bible makes some seemingly good points. Please note what the term apologetics means: "Reasoned arguments or writings in justification of...