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    Love your enemies

    Yes, I’m aware of your position, Stranger. You still overlook the fact that Jesus has literally given us a new commandment (John 13:34) and you think that it is enough to accept Christ as Lord with our lips only, whilst carrying on with business as usual. Well, good luck with that, but I fear...
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    Love your enemies

    Yeah, Stranger, of course Jesus was just handing out some courtesy rules for Thanksgiving Dinner with annoying Aunt Ethel. Contrary to what Matthew 5:43-48 might indicate to fools who take it literally, surely Jesus doesn’t want His followers to behave in radically different ways from the rest...
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    Steve Bannon praises Satan

    “"Darkness is good," says Bannon, who amid the suits surrounding him at Trump Tower, looks like a graduate student in his T-shirt, open button-down and tatty blue blazer — albeit a 62-year-old graduate student. "Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they" — I...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    Stan, traditional Trinitarians such as myself don’t doubt the incarnation, but to us the entire point of the incarnation is that God became man. And if Jesus Christ is God as Thomas proclaimed (John 20:28), it follows that He is eternal. Being eternally begotten by the Father is not the same as...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    No, you don’t agree with what the original Nicene Creed states Stan. If you think you do, it’s because you’ve never given much thought to what it means to be “begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;” Also you obviously never thought about how our “one Lord Jesus Christ (…)...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    You repeating the same argument over and over again, doesn’t make it less of a fabricated and unbiblical story in my eyes. See Stranger: I’m quite fond of all these little contradictions that you seek to smooth over. One of the very reasons I believe in the resurrection is that the Bible...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    Weirdly enough Jeremiah speaks of seventeen shekels of silver that he has paid for his field (no prophecy involved) whereas both Zechariah and Matthew mention 30 pieces of silver having been thrown into the temple treasury. You can’t die twice: You can either die by hanging yourself or by...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    No Stan, you don’t prefer what the Bible says, you prefer what you think it says over what others think it says. And it so happens that your interpretation of Scripture is a rather peculiar one. The vast majority of Christianity (including the vast majority of Protestantism) interprets the...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    Well, I’m traditional enough to have gasped at this ‘heresy’ on first glance of your post: “The Word was incarnated in Christ (v14) which means that Jesus did not exist before he was actually born. It was the Word who is God that existed in the beginning.”. Don’t get me wrong: feel free to...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    Do you mean to say that Jesus Christ did not exist until he was conceived? Maybe that’s what Pentecostals or Polish Brethren believe, but it is not a belief that is shared by traditional Trinitarians such as myself. Christianity at large still teaches the pre-existence of Christ: “The doctrine...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    That’s exactly where the text that it translated from is. It’s also where the text that the Masoretic text is derived from is and where any autograph of any Biblical text is. Hence my question: if original manuscripts are the kind of proof you require, where do you think the Bible is? So you...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    “1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    Actually my answer was that we have about 2000 textual witnesses to it, which you dismissed on the (mistaken) ground that those textual witnesses were too late to give witness of it. Which begs the question: if you seriously think that a later text can not bear witness of an earlier text that it...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    The Septuagint is not translated, the Septuagint is a translation. Where are the texts that it translated? In the same place that the Proto-Masoretic texts are: lost in history, either burned or rotten, or (if we are lucky) still slumbering in some hidden clay pots we haven’t found yet. First...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    So let me try to explain to you again, even though you might get a better explanation from actual OT-scholars such as the guys from the IOSCS (http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/ioscs/): The Septuagint is just a Greek translation of the Old Testament that was mostly made between 250 BC and 100 BC. So...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    It seems to me that you are not even curious enough to read the links that I provided. And that you say things like “So, why is it a collection of Scrolls. It should be one item.” shows that you never really occupied yourself with ancient Biblical manuscripts. As far as I’m concerned the story...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    Stan, you don’t even realize that both the articles you’ve linked, even the wildly unscientific one from the Blueletter-Bible, basically support what I said, do you? But never mind, if - against all scholarly opinion - you want to believe that Jesus actually held the Sermon on the Mount in...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    First of all, may I remind you of John 1 again: nothing was existent before Christ, not even the Bible or any of its versions and translations, including the Masoretic text or the Septuagint. That said: The oldest fragments of the Septuaginta we have are from the 2th century BC. The oldest...
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    Pope prays with Protestants on Reformation day

    I’ve never been Catholic, Stranger, but come from a long line of staunch Prussian Protestants. I'm well aware though, that there was a time when there were neither Roman Catholics, nor Lutherans, Calvinists, Methodists … but just Christians. So I reckon Jesus is non-denominational and could...
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    Is our Bible of 66 Books, the inerrant Word of God?

    Stranger, please! We’ve got about 2000 manuscripts/fragments of the Septuagint. It’s contained in the Codex Alexandrinus, the Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus. You can go and see these manuscripts for yourself in the Vatican Library, the British Library, the British Museum, the...