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ummm....not taking sides here, but what about the elders praying for those who are sick? or when Jesus prayed in public...in fact lifted up His face towards heaven and prayed in a loud voice? I guess this might be where a season for everything could come in handy..... It's fine to jump...

Oh ouch. Anyone want a flak jacket? I may have one in the attic somewhere.............. :unsure: I still wonder where Solomon went.................. (an attempt at levity before I'm forced to choose sides...I like both you guys!)

Well, would dragons really be mythical if they were pre- serpent? Questions questions...all these questions And here's another..is it OK to s----t----r---e----t---c----h scripture to fit our pet theories? or the latest TV episode of UFO's or the one with the wild guy with crazy...

From some of the responses, I am inclined to ask: so, how about other sins? What if you or I or Joe Blow has a sin they just struggle with and die not having victory over it? Have they lost their salvation? Because, even though unforgiveness is unforgiving, do you really know why you need to...

Deja vu. Another forum I am a member of, brought up this article quite some time ago and you simply would not believe some of the responses. It was not from the newspaper article but somewhere else on the web as this has been around since Baalam's donkey spoke up and said quit beating me...

Personally, I'm wondering which way Solomon went. He was much more interesting than this guy. ;)

Sounds about right for the gospel according to man's sinful, fallen nature. Church of satan, what?

Christmas is one of the least of our problems IMO. Isn't it early for this seasonal disagreement? ps: I don't like one liner sarcastic responses, so if you give me one, I am apt to ignore you...my new policy. :P

If you are asking if a Christian has something happen to them that causes them to resent another, are they lost, I would say no. We don't loose our salvation from one moment to the next...ongoing sin and issues that need forgiveness are things that often have to be worked through. I think...

Ummm...I think you are kind of ignoring something here.....Paul, went to the apostles to make sure that what he had revealed was the truth. He was not revealing anything in that regard....are all his letters of instruction revelations? Come on...that's just not so...I think you are dodging a...

Going to go back and respond to yr original op since you took alot of care to write all that....I did go looking for doctrine of illumination...and I have decided that rather than something that the Bible would suggest as a doctrine...like salvation for example, I think this one, illumination is...

huh...well we've taken a side trip to the original op, but no one has complained.so...LOL! I wonder now if sometimes people were thinking dualism when I was thinking God all powerful, devil, not. I have been to alot of different churches and this may explain some of the freaky behavior in...

Hey W...You have so much in yr post, I wanted to introduce a different aspect and then keep going. I agree a discussion on this is very important and much needed so I'm glad to participate. First, I have never heard 'illumination' described as a doctrine? What I have had heard or rather read...

Agreement in forums is always good! :)

Thanks. I understand and appreciate the warning and the clean up. I think closer moderation will be good and helpful. Sorry for the part I played in overstepping.

Hoo boy. OK I'll bite. ;) I believe illumination to be biblical, it is personal revelation or interpretation or new revelation that I find extra biblical. Let's define: I disagree with your def of illumination, so let's get the dictionary one. Illumination:1. a. The act of...

I had heard of dualism but never paid much attention, because I ascribe to: Christianity rejected all forms of a dual origin of the world which erected matter, or evil, or any other principle into a second eternal being coexistent with God, and it taught the monistic origin of the universe from...

Are you teaching or asking a question here?

OK...thanks John. Hard to tell sometimes on a forum what someone is thinking. No problem! :)

No. Just funny. I am not at all nasty. I do have a bit of an odd sense of humor but I can also be quite serious. If I thought I was being nasty, I would stop... I am sorry if I came across that way, it really is not my intention. :( no parakeets...that was daq's invention...he was funny...