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  1. illini1959

    Is Hell worse for Some?

    The Holy Spirit didn't indwell believers until after Christ's resurrection, if that's what you mean. Separation from God - 2 Thess 1:9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might How can someone who doesn't exist...
  2. illini1959

    True or false?

    I've never said Jesus said that. Where did you get that from? I posted other verses, as an example. I can't post them all....but they show we are transformed. A new creation in Christ. Yes, we still have to obey and we have choices in that but like I said, we have a new nature - a nature no...
  3. illini1959

    True or false?

    We are absolutely indwelt by the Holy Spirit upon accepting Christ. Romans 8:9 "You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him." If we've accepted Christ we have the Spirit...
  4. illini1959

    What to do when you are beyond repentance?

    Hello again, first I apologize for the delay in my reply. I don't really post on weekends. I appreciate you taking the time to reply to my question and I did read your link, which helped. Second, realizing we can't judge one another's heart, between your post here and the link you provided it...
  5. illini1959

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    Hi stunnedbygrace, I hope you were safe this past weekend. We had a stormy weekend, too. So...the "letter" is just another way of referring to the "law", so your first comment would be right. The only thing that keeps anyone out of heaven and separated from God is rejecting Christ - not...
  6. illini1959

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    The indwelling of the Holy Spirit doesn't take into account how 'mature' a believer is. We are indwelt at the time of conversion. Romans 8:9 "You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not...
  7. illini1959

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    Not to worry! I just posted again but take your time! Please feel free to message me :) Stay safe!
  8. illini1959

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    2 Cor 3:5-6 Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Paul here is...
  9. illini1959

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    :eek: Stay safe!
  10. illini1959

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    Which would make sense since I'm a (human). Scripture and the things of God are spiritually discerned, that's true. But every believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit and it's He who teaches: John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all...
  11. illini1959

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    If you could post the verse you're referring to, that would help. Thanks
  12. illini1959

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    Not a lawyer by any stretch ;) but I've learned over the past 50 years that often a deeper look at scripture is needed to properly understand it. Just like our language has words with many different meanings and nuances, likewise with Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic. Of course I don't mean that 'it...
  13. illini1959

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    See, context and proper definition is key when reading the Word. "murdered" in this verse means - STRONGS NT 443: ἀνθρωποκτόνος ἀνθρωποκτόνος, ἀνθρωποκτονον (κτείνω to kill), a manslayer, murderer: contextually, to be deemed equal to a murderer, 1 John 3:15. Whereas Exodus 20:13 means to...
  14. illini1959

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    How am I "deceived" into thinking I've never murdered anyone if I haven't? I do not understand your take on scripture. We ARE male and female. We were created male and female. Galatians 3 doesn't remove gender or ethnicity it just means we are all one in Christ. What do you do with verses...
  15. illini1959

    What to do when you are beyond repentance?

    Actually only one of those is labeled as "will not be forgiven" - #1. Receiving the mark is unforgivable in the sense that people, just as they do now will, reject Christ. So, the reason it's 'unforgivable' is actually because they rejected Christ. 1 Corinthian 3:16-17 says Do you not know...
  16. illini1959

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    So, still wondering - do you take that to mean all of His words are "spirit" and not to be taken literally? Also what your thoughts are on Gal 3:28...... Thanks -
  17. illini1959

    What to do when you are beyond repentance?

    I see 6...? He's only been here a couple of weeks so shouldn't be hard to find. If he didn't post there could he still tell it here? Even if not a full on testimony, I'd like to know more about his faith before I comment on it. If possible.... Thank you!
  18. illini1959

    What to do when you are beyond repentance?

    Hello :) I'm new to this forum but not to Christ,having been saved for almost 50 years. May I ask you a question? Could you share when/how you received Christ? Your testimony? If you've already shared this somewhere, please feel free to direct me and I'll go read. Thank you!
  19. illini1959

    When was the last time you heard the word "RAPTURE" in your church??

    Sunday :) I don't follow denominations but attend a Southern Baptist church. Praise God our (interium) Pastor preaches the whole council of God and our new Pastor who's coming this Sunday will, too.
  20. illini1959

    What Do You Learn from Debate?

    Oh, I know. I'm trying to draw out what the poster thinks it says/means. Also why I pointed out "and life." Yep, always post the verse ;) Thanks!