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Am certainly no Bible commentator - but I did some google and these guys are.Here is a result of their comments on John 17 verse 12 regarding "son of perdition" identityAdam Clarke - ADAM CLARKE'S BIBLE COMMENTARY - JudasChuck Smith – JudasDavid Guzik – JudasMatthew Henry – JudasDavid Brown –...

(kriss;58098) Christ is talking to God saying none are lost father except one Im sure God understood just fine Am not God. Am happy though that John made sure we had a definition for those pronouns. IF someone here is claiming to be God or having a definition from God for "them" in verse 12 that...

(kriss;58096) The Word was not written in English Words that have multiple meaning are often translated at the translators best assumption,of how he perceived them when you have a language for example Hebrew they used the same word for he,she,it the same is true of Greek so if something is...

(kriss;58094) Does anyone here get who Satan was? How have you fallen oh son of the morning he was the anointed cherub the most beautiful/knowledgeable Angel ever created he guarded the mercy seat He was one of Gods Anointed a son of God if Christ always was you dont think he knew Satan Job 1:6...

(kriss;58090) 4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the...

(tomwebster;58086) waquinas,I have no idea what you are saying half of the time. I just want you and every one to know what I am saying.I am saying Satan IS the son of perdition. Satan IS the ONLY son of perdition. Perdition is another name for Satan. Judas is NOT the son of perdition...

(thesuperjag;58084) It is not that hard to understand IF we stop letting men and our flesh do the thinking for us... It's literally easy to know IF we let God interpret Himself and His words for you. I would suggest that John in God's Word has clearly defined for us in John 17 verse 2, 6 and 20...

and no the apostles are not the only ones he prays for. Prior to verse 6 and after verse 20 He is obviously praying for a larger group, possibly even all believers (at all times).I think from verse 6 (were "they" and "them" is defined a second time) through verse 20 (where the pronouns change to...

Kriss,Have you never spoke or written using a pronoun and someone asked who or whom you were talking about it? If I say "he" or "her" or "they" and your are not sure, the only way to know is ask. It is no different when reading. If one is in doubt you have to go back in the text to the last time...

(Red_Letters88;58038) (Originally Posted by kriss) Please show any scripture that says a man/anyone besides Satan was already ever judged to utter destruction/condemed forever. If there is none then there is only one Son of Pertion Which is the only reason I feel- it is indeed talking about...

(tomwebster;57965) waquinas,Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou...

(tomwebster;57899) Where does it say Satan "Kept the Word"????? Certainly not in verse 6. Unless I am missing something with my 6th grade English background, that is simple. It goes to words used and structure.“They” is a personal pronoun (3rd personal plural) and is used 18 times in John 17...

(tomwebster;57863) Guess you need to figure out who Satan is. Did you read about him in Eze 28? He knows well the Word of God, remember how he misquoted it when he tried to temp Christ? Knowing how to use the Word to his advantage and saying you understand Jesus in a prayer to be thanking God...

My point was missed I think. But if Jesus is not switching to talking about Satan in his prayer, then we still have to ask how it is possible that Jesus, during His ministry (as that is what the rest of the prayer referes to - people that kept His Word), how is it possible that one of those...

actually I said we cannot know. However, again "better he never be born" does not sound like a good thing to me.Back to John recording Jesus prayer for his disciples. How in the middle of that can we seem Him switching to speaking of Satan? How is it possible that Satan be counted amoung those...

Am still trying to figure out how Jesus gave Satan the Word while He was here on earth and Satan kept it.Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born. That does not...

The entire verse reads;Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.I would have a difficult time believing Jesus was with Satan in the...

Pray, plant and water.

In the case of John I think the reference is to Judas as is the Psalmist prophecy about Judas.Psa 109:2 For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue. They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and...

sounds nasty doesn't it.