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Without speaking for him, I think that was Tree's point. If Jesus is still the same today, then He is still a Man. Human males have bodies. If this is not so, then am not sure how one claims He is the same today as He was before His death on the Cross. Not having a body certainly does not sound...

(kriss;57528) Never put your faith in men check them out against the scripture that is what you are told to do. But if we check it out and agree with them and it opposes you, then we should follow you or Denver?

amen!

(RichardBurger;57513) Now I notice that you want to have the last word so please do have the last word. It changes nothing for me. Nay you can have it.

As I said, I would hope you, all here and especially myself would speak up whenever we felt Church leaders are wrong or teaching error. It would be our obligation to do so I would think. Would also hope we all would do as the Spirit leads us, however as we all sin we must agree we do not always...

Spirit, spiritual beings, purely spirit beings, angels, beings which are both spirit and flesh. I think we need to differentiate. Jesus clearly says spirits have no bodies and that He, in His Resurrected state, still has a body of flesh and bones. Humans have bodies, flesh, blood and bones...

I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I...

Kriss,If understood, you are saying the change is physical not spiritual. So these "spirit bodies" then do have flesh and bones, just as Jesus told us He does. Just not flesh and bones like we have now?

To me we are just completing the story of mankind. In the beginning God made us, flesh and bone. He walked with us (Adam and Eve) while they had flesh and bone. So in the beginning there was nothing seppearting flesh and bone from God. With the Fall, sin created a barrier between man and God...

Don’t let the physical church ran by men keep you from having this close relationship with God. I don't, and hopefully many others will not either.And I do not believe that Churches are "divided" in their members. Even in the NT it indicates there are roles within the Church and those roles are...

I would never argue that a spirit has flesh and bones, that was my point and Jesus was making that point. Clearly Jesus tells us spirits do not have flesh and bones, but He still does. Therefore He is not a spirit. He is telling them it is still me, A MAN, with FLESH and with BONES. TOUCH ME AND...

Tom,I understand how we arrive at sexual relations with Satan, my problem was with the implications of that understanding in the same story regarding God telling them they could "touch" everything else and maybe also why we should think it natural that Adam would have the same desire as Eve in...

Am confused.He said he had flesh and bones. Did He lie?Or are you saying there is no flesh in Heaven except maybe the kind of flesh Jesus said He had, which was in some way different? (I agree the resurrected bodies will be different - but as Jesus said - it is still flesh and bones) To me...

Re-read Denver and Tom and must say I was wrong in that "relations" as Denver said is not the only way to look at "fruit", though it made sense for me to see it that way.Guess I could see fruit as a euphansim for anything desired or desirable and that only in the later case of the "one tree"...

(Denver;57345) That's ignoring an entire level of it. Fruit is a term that's applied to a wide range of things in the Bible from the sexual to the results of someone's attitude/belief towards God on to prophecy and an entire nation of people (parable of the fig tree). My point is that fruit...

Yeah and that is my problem because of what that understanding does to this verse:Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest...

yes, agree to disagree.Have heard some say nothing but this one thing was forbidden to Adam and Eve - everything else, everything was permissable even things we would consider disgusting and sinful now. I disagree but am wondering if that goes along with this belief in Eve getting funky with Satan?

Again we focus on funerals. The original statement was A worship service was no doubt held at the burials of both John and Mary at the Church in Ephesus. Without consulting 40 authors or Biblical commentary I would say that at least part of that process constituted a 1st century worship service...