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Trekson: Jesus does not say, "I now start to build my church." He uses the future tense: "I will build my church." Matt 18:17 contains instructions that will not be implemented while he is still with them on earth. The essential element of the church is missing until after the resurrection...

Trekson, If I understand your article on the bride of Christ, I believe that I can sum it up by sayng that the bride is the 144,000 out of Revelation 7 and 14, who are clearly Jews if the two groups are identical, and that the church is fully united with Jesus so as to be part of the bridegroom...

verteran: No he doesn't. This is an example of the careless reading that seems so prevalent in non-dispensational quarters. Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by...

jeffweeder: How can someone look at a passage and directly contradict what it says? "It will not come": what is the antecedent? It is "the Day of the Lord". You say "go back two chapters". That is illegitimate! It takes you into a different letter and therefore a different context. The...

He doesn't! He says it has to come before the Day of the Lord. The Lord's coming to meet his church in the air is not the same as his coming to earth in wrath to begin his kingdom.

Yes, our gathering to him is the rapture. Our gathering to him occurs before or at the beginning of the Day of the Lord. This is the departure. We are gathered out of the world before he sends his judgement on it. When the Lord comes to be glorified in his saints, the word "saints"...

Trekson, then who is the bride of Christ? jeffweeder, it isn't clear what is confusing you. I am guessing that you see the rapture happening simultaneously with "the appearance of his coming" If that is so, it is a false equation. When Jesus takes his church and meets us in the air; he does...

TWC: If that is really so, I want to know exactly how they run contrary to it. I do not wish to teach anything that is not biblical. jeffweeder: That is not what the scripture says. Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you...

There are three meanings of apostasia: defection, departure and distance. Defection and departure do not have the same meaning. Nobody ever answers the objection, how can you tell what level of rebellion or apostasy will fulfil the sign?

Elle, in 1 Cor 15:23 the first fruits is Christ only, not the rest. It says, Literally (Young's Literal Translation) Christ is the fulfilment of the Feast of First Fruits, on the day after the first sabbath after Passover, the day of his resurrection. Christ is the very first of the first...

Not invented but discovered. The whole realm of eschatology had been in obscurity since the church became part of the Roman state and prophecies that the emperor and his government would be destroyed by the judgement of God became ... unwelcome. The prophecy of Daniel says, "But you, Daniel...

TWC: I won't heed poorly argued stuff which is a mix of bare assertion and blatant eisegesis. If you have sound biblical arguments, that would be another matter. "Departure" makes more sense, because it is being used as a sign to show the Thessalonians that the Day of the Lord cannot yet...

Then why was it translated "departure/departing" until the KJV came along? "apostasy" is an English word coined by borrowing directly from the Greek word "apostasia"; it is one possible meaning, but plain "departure" is another possible meaning, and one that makes better sense in the context.

But "falling away" is, for two reasons, a poor translation. Until the KJV this was translated "departure", and it clearly means the rapture. If you think this time shows a clear falling away, what about the Middle Ages, when there was far less biblical knowledge than now and the very doctrines...

TWC said What that says to me is that you do not have the ability, because this is indeed what the bible teaches. This is an example of the fallacy called elephant hurling. +++ That contradicts what Jesus says in John 14, as explained in the original post. He says he is going to prepare a...

Eagles = angels? As far as I know there is exactly one place in the bible where an eagle might be equated with an angel: Rev 8:13 There is no biblical justification for making that equation in Matt 24 or Luke 17.

The 1335th day from when? Sir Robert Anderson showed how the 69th week ended to the very day on the day when Jesus entered Jerusalem on a donkey, fulfilling Zechariah 9 and thus for the first time explicitly claiming the title of King Messiah. He showed that the Holy Spirit is using years of...

I agree that the first half of the last 7 years will already have killed at least half the world's population. But the verses you quote about cannibalism were fulfilled in the siege of Jerusalem under Nebuchadnezzar. I don't think one can reuse prophecies for later events. That is why the...

SoM, You quote "the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints". Notice how they come with the Lord. They are already with him, because the church has been removed before he comes back to earth. If the church is not caught up until he returns to earth, and the resurrection has not happened...

Yes, but the dead in Christ is everyone of the church who will have died, whether by martyrdom or not, from Stephen right up to the last moment before the rapture. If you agree with that then I misunderstood you before.