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You have to ignore very strong evidence that at least some of these NDEs are real if you say they're all false. If you want to do that you are free to do so. I personally don't think that is a very wise approach. Since there are verses in the Bible that support both stances, maybe it's best to...

I think throughout time the main issue has never been whether or not we should keep the law. I think it's always been about how we approach our relationship with God. Our motive should be to please Jesus our Saviour in whatever we do. Keeping the law does fall within that to a degree since it's...

That's a good point. I would say having the big picture and then the border or foundation pieces in place is key. Getting the other pieces in place is important, but if you don't have those two key elements in place no matter what you do things will never match up the way they should.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the trib...shall the sun be darkened. Rev 16:20 And every island fled away... Rev 20:11 ... from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away... Rev 21:1 ... and the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Not sure what you...

That's one way to look at it. Personally I see the six seals as an overview of things to come from John's day up to the end of time with the language in the sixth seal alluding to the second coming (sun shall be darkened) and the end of the millennium (islands fled away). I see chapter 7 as the...

Can't say I totally agree with you there. I think similar wording can be a very strong indication of connection with other passages. To me prophecy itself is fluid in nature and there's no cut and dry formula to follow in understanding how things fit together. The best approach to me is like...

Interesting discourse. You seem quite convinced of what you're saying. And you may be right. Don't find it too convincing myself though. Still looks to me like they're all talking about the same thing. :)

Ha! You're right Retrobyter, I meant change, or evolve as in progress, or develop. And it was in reference to "languages" not Jesus or His Word. Didn't know evolve was such a taboo word. Guess I'll stay away from that one from now on. :)

I'm having a little trouble following you. How do you get the tribulation in the Millennium? How do you get the wrath of God as history with more to come? And how do you get the Battle of Armageddon is Gog and Magog?

Hi Retrobyter, I'm glad to have someone in the discussion who has a good working knowledge of Hebrew. However, I don't know if you should assume that because of that you will be able to know for certain what the prophecy is saying. There are more considerations than what one word could or...

Oh, OK. I see what you're saying. Yes, I do believe this is a description of the second coming as well as the end of the Millennium with the creation of the New Heaven and New Earth. Like I mentioned in my outline this is like an overview of these events. Later in Rev it gets more into the details.

Do you mean the sixth trumpet?

Yes, you have a point there. However, there are problems with any interpretation out there, including yours. I don't see a problem with it myself. In fact, a similar gap occurs with the beast with 10 horns in Daniel 7. ;)

I'm more inclined to go with the interpretation that in Dan 9:27 "He" is the AC who "confirms" some sort of 7 year agreement with many and then in the middle breaks the agreement. At this point he sets up the abomination of desolations which marks the beginning of the trib which will last 3.5...

Can't say for sure about Apollyon, but the beast is cast alive into the lake of fire (Rev 19), and Satan is bound and cast into the bottomless pit (Rev 20). You've also got Rev 13:2 which basically says that Satan give the beast his power and seat and great authority. Sounds to me like two...

KJV renders "he" as "it". Obviously there is a difference of opinion on how to translate this passage. If you want to take an obscure scripture from 1 John to interpret Dan 9:27 that's up to you. Makes no sense to me. I'd much rather compare prophetic scripture with the whole of prophetic...

Sorry, can't see how you get the "spirit" of the AC out of Daniel 9:27. At face value the passage is talking about a person.

Guess if you want to say the 7 year reign of the AC, the abomination of desolations standing in the holy place, the great tribulation, Jesus coming in the clouds, the rapture, the marriage supper, the wrath of God, and the battle of Armageddon have already happened you could say that. :)

I agree in general with what you're saying. I'm not so sure about the Apollyon part whether or not he is "the beast" or "Satan". But I'm not too concerned about that. I do agree that Europe is most likely symbolized in the ten horns/toes. I have to clarify one point I made. I'm not saying the...

Sorry, I'm just a little lost on where we're heading here. Are you saying that this is a reference to the "spirit" of the antichrist and not an actual person? I agree that the spirit of antichrist is working in the hearts of men. But I also believe that there will be an actual person who will be...