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Well that’s your prerogative. We don’t have to ever learn anything beyond our echo chambers. We can remain in them happily for our entire life. You quoted me and brought up why I think it’s fictional. I posted two resources by some of the most popular Old Testament biblical scholars on this...

So I never said anything about Christ period. Definitely never said anything about not needing Christ. What said, clearly, was that I’m not guilty of the sins Adam committed. Just like my son is not guilty of my sins. Just like you’re not guilty of your fathers sins. We are all guilty of our own...

Well most people historically that I know have used doctrine to refer to something like “ the deity of Christ “ and wisdom to something like don’t put all your eggs in one basket. so take fiction. Like psalms 74. I don’t think god battled a fire breathing multiheaded sea dragon. It’s...

do you make doctrine from parables or get wisdom from them? ever look into proverbial truth vs facts? Proverbial truth , parable truth, and facts are all truth, are all full of wisdom, but they don’t all produce doctrine.

Well that’s a entirely separate issue and I am not going to spend the time at this moment to go through it. But if you have the time there are some good resources to use to work though this question. This is a podcast by Harvard grad biblical scholar, Pete Enns. Episode 133- The Book of Job...

I never said scripture is not inspired. All of it is. Even the fictional parts.

where did I say without Christ I would live forever?

I view Job as fiction, and so it brings up no doctrine, just wisdom.

I don’t believe in OSAS and I’ve not made up my mind on universalism. But in general neither of things would result in a bad Christian. For example my cat would probably forgive me no matter what I did. If could be a terrible owner and neglect them, and not feed them and when I came home they...

Ezekiel 18:20 New American Standard Bible 20 The person who sins will die. A son will not suffer the punishment for the father’s guilt, nor will a father suffer the punishment for the son’s guilt; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be...

the modern plain text readers often confuse what’s popular now for the traditional views not realizing how long , and widely accepted, other views have been that are mostly spread around those who look into scholarship and less so I pop culture. But I look forward to anyone who wants to...

I like having spaces where you can have an actual dialogue and discuss and counter argue your points without 20 pages of stuff plopped down. These are a few reasons why hell does not mean what so many thinks it does now days. Matthew 25:41 New American Standard Bible 41 “Then He will also...

KJV is known among scholars to be a terrible translation. It’s very doctrinally driven. I wanted to make a post , far more concise and put together, on why hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment but then this one was made. I’m not going to lose my Comments on the long post. So I’ll...

I would say that’s more of a Hollywood tradition than a Christian theological one.

I’ve yet to see that in the Bible. But I did see Jesus call little kids to him and see him saying we are not guilty of our parents sin.

There is a point though if you wanted something that goes over this subject far. Pre in detail. I definitely don’t disagree with Shawn McCraney on that hell is not a place of enteral conscious torment. But McCreaney seems to bounce around a bit between annihilation and a sort of universalism...

Well the reference is to Venus. Often a king is considered a god and linked to planet. So I think the implications is that as the Hosts of Heavens begin to turn against each other , the lands they governed over went into issues such as the one the king here is being brought into. So the King...

Did you read through the post? Or just the title and then wanted to share a discussion? what’s the relevancy? Several. It ties into the gospel. As disciples we are told to meditate on scripture. If you’re someone who enjoys in-depth studying and how tropes and biblical patterns are set up it...

He’s a wonderful teacher. If you enjoyed it you’ll probably like the podcast I mentioned , “Rethinking Hell“. Hundreds of hours of in depth debates and discussions.