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"to at first seek the truth of scripture and then measure up everything else against it"and where do we go to do that?

There are many interesting numbers and looking for them in scripture makes for intersting stories and movies. My interest ends there.

So you have said. Again am not here to convince or sway you and am very familar with other views of the same text. Just trying to point out there are reasons some of us say we see a connection.Am just saying in the longest speech He is recorded giving, He says three times "I am" that Bread and...

I fail to see the connections being made between the verses given and the claims being made about history, Churches and denominations. Have personally yet to belong to a Church where the elders and pastors get together and stone the visiting evangelist after a particularlly rousing sermon. And...

You may not find it in John, but many people do and see the whole Chapter as one Bread of Life Discourse - (and the longest quote of Jesus speaking at one setting in the Bible).Not the same event to be sure, but I do think there are definitely parallels, parallels which many of us believe make...

Jhn 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. guess i missed where he modified "any man" to only the disciples

Thanks treeoflifeWell, I do not think a ban on saying "it is God's Word" is necessary. It is just that as a rebuttal or point of argument it is meaningless and I think too often meant as a put down. As in - well my view "it is God's Word" therefore you are not following God's Word - neener...

Well words have meanings and we do not agree on meanings, then it is impossible to discuss things from a position that has not been defined.BTW there equivalent common statements on this site is (this is God's Word and you are just following teachings of men (if you disagree)). These sayings...

(thesuperjag;55589) So you are saying that telling and preaching Truth is following men as well? I am not interested in following men. No need to say/be sorry to me. All I will say is God works in mysterious ways... No not all, think you did not get my point. Am saying if I tell people that I am...

Well I suppose some do find comfort in saying I know I am right because I am right. The problem with just saying "it is God's Word" is that almost any claim can be made then add "it is God's Word". It makes the phrase meaningless. On this site it appears to be code for this is the ruling...

(thesuperjag;55573) Well that contradicts a scripture where it says that there is a second death if Hell is forever. well that would be true if only we all believed a second death can ONLY mean a person ceased to exist. Since we do not all believe this, there is no contradiction.

When I believed this I often wondered how secure we really are. I mean if people seemingly with outward evidence (fruits) far greater than my own and of whom others would agree must be secure (not to mention he was sure himself) that he could then fall so badly. Great works they did and many...

The reference in (2 Cor 5.1) is translated "eternal" in nearly every translation (Young excepted), eternal is a word relating to time, in that it expresses something that has no end point in time. Whether eternal expresses something which "transcends" time as we know it, am not sure we can say...

(Veronica Moser;55409) Why do you assume that aionios refers to a period of time in this verse? Perhaps the life and the punishment or aeonian in the sense that both originate in the eternal God? I do not need to assume, this has been the accepted view of those verses for thousands of years...

atrhick,thankyou, you have explained your position well, but I was not asking for an why you believe it or the details of it, but why it should make sense to me. Enough of this though, not the topic here. Thanks again.

Thanks atrhick,And I have no doubt we will all be raised with new bodies one day. Some to eternal glory, some to eternal fire. And I do not wish to argue or sway you from your view. Just want to be clear on my problem with the logic of it. You have made a case for it being so, but have...

atrhick,Have only posted with a couple of others sharing your belief in no soul. The hardest thing for me to understand about that system is how it maintains a logical afterlife. If you are familar with any of the arguments for a soul, many center on the need for a connection between this life...

Sorry I lost you Jag,We were speaking of Matthew chapter 25 where the writer specifically contrasts in PARALLEL the fate of the some over others. With your understanding of those verses, you would need to explain how the writer of Matthew 25 could make a parallel using the same Greek word and...

Jag,You still have not addressed the problem of the parallel.And I did not deny a second death or birth, or that the Bible mentions both or that IN THIS LIFE that which can "kill" the soul should be feared more than that which can kill the body. All of that is clearly stated.I should point out...

There are many things we each believe to be true that are not in the Bible. A belief in an immortal human soul has not only been around long before Christianity, it is pretty much universal present in all ancient and modern belief systems as well as in philosophical circles. While universality...