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  1. Patrick1966

    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    So you think God created people so that he could torture them forever? You have a very low opinion of God, as do most Christians.
  2. Patrick1966

    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    John 3:16-17 CLNT 16 For thus God loves the world, so that He gives His only-begotten Son, that everyone who is believing in Him should not be perishing, but may be having life eonian. 17 For God does not dispatch His Son into the world that He should be judging the world, but that the world may...
  3. Patrick1966

    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    God destroys those who need it in order to then rebuild them. God is a refiner. Jeremiah 6:29 esv The bellows blow fiercely; the lead is consumed by the fire; in vain the refining goes on, for the wicked are not removed. Proverbs 25:4 esv Take away the dross from the silver, and the smith...
  4. Patrick1966

    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    That's not what it says. It says that Jesus saves ALL people. I could bury you with many other verses that essentially say the same but you probably don't believe the Bible.
  5. Patrick1966

    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    It's also imprudent to ASSUME.
  6. Patrick1966

    Bible Problem

    I know. It's good for faith, but not so good for doctrine.
  7. Patrick1966

    Bible Problem

    I enjoy the ESV Bible due to its ease of reading. However, when reading the New Testament, I often check their verses against the Concordant Literal New Testament, which can be found online here: https://www.concordant.org/version/read-concordant-new-testament-online/
  8. Patrick1966

    Bible Problem

    The KJV is chock full of translational errors. https://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/bible-errors.html
  9. Patrick1966

    Bible Problem

    LOL really? Bad translations gave us the false doctrine of eternal punishment.
  10. Patrick1966

    Bible Problem

    I wish I had your infallible understanding of God and all his ways. Obviously, anyone who differs with you is doing Satan's work.
  11. Patrick1966

    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    Yes. Samuel's statement is a general one that applies to ALL people.
  12. Patrick1966

    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    I don't know the particulars of the process. The Bible doesn't delve into those details. We have limited free will, not total free will. Just ask Jonah. :) It's God's WILL that NONE be lost. Do you believe that anyone can ultimately and forever prevent God's will from happening? John...
  13. Patrick1966

    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    My understanding is that Mary is the earthly, biological, mother of Jesus. However, Jesus preceded Mary and so she is NOT "the mother of God". She was a servant of God and a vessel.
  14. Patrick1966

    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    Please tell us more about how Jesus uses the Lake of Fire.
  15. Patrick1966

    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    Eventually, ALL will seek Jesus and when ALL the sheep are collected the kingdom will be given to God.
  16. Patrick1966

    Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

    Of course. That is the best and easiest way to eternal life in paradise with God. But as the verse states, Jesus devised DEVICES (more than one way) to be saved. Yes, ALL paths to salvation go through Jesus. There is NO OTHER way. However, mainstream Christianity, without biblical...