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Funny, I'm struggling to make science fit with the biblical narrative. Not too much, though. Science will come around soon enough. :)

I think it's an inevitable hazard of community discussion, whether virtual or local, that any rules imposed besides the law of Christ are bound to impede Gospel discourse. The Gospel is foolishness to the world, and those who will not be bound by the laws written on the heart by it will always...

You have no proof from scripture that they were wanting to invade Heaven and conquer God. I have you on my ignore list so I may or may not see any reply. :Lockedthread .

He doesn't seem to be showing any signs of slowing down or stopping. And the Bible seems to strongly indicate that he's not coming around to a faith-and-love way of thinking. I honestly never thought I'd find myself in a position to be arguing this point but, personally, I'm nowhere near...

The devil, maybe? He's got an awful lot invested in absolute rebellion. Of course, if one is inclined to see Satan as a mythical creature of allegorical nature, I guess my point is a likely candidate for the moot bin. :)

Many preachers of the Gospel use precisely this illustration. I've taken it a little further, myself: The ant farm becomes a super colony of an asian species which can contain as many as 300 million worker ants—AND THEY TORMENT AND KILL HIM. So your illustration isn't fantastic enough...

Why do you think it's important to emphasize the kingship of Christ being only for those of the genetic lineage of Jacob? :)

I know I'm a little late to the party but you don't really seem like you no longer care about other peoples views on the matter. I'm not interested in throwing verses at anyone but I do try to, as the apostle Paul said, hold fast to that which is good. And there are a lot of good...

Folks who want to behave like the world will indulge any logical fallacy to do so—arguments from apparent silence, loopholes, whatever it takes. Don't mean to be condemnatory; it's just the way things are. We all do it to some degree. :)

I think you'll be all right. :)

@St. SteVen By the way, I see Amigo and Dave have dropped by to spam up your nice thread. :)

Somehow, I feel like you might be selling more than just awareness of 3 options - lol. :)

You're like a brother from another mother. We barely even need to talk. :)

There's virtually no risk to keeping some folks on your ignore list. :My2c: :)

Show-off. :P :)

Now, see, that's not congruent with my recollection at all. '

I'll never tell. :P :)

What do these concepts mean to you now, insofar as they are represented in the Bible? :)

Seems like a non sequitur. When I first started reading the Bible I had no notion of "damnationist" (of which I've frankly never heard) or "ultimate restoration" views whatsoever. Besides that, it seems like you and I both broke free from our eventually formed preconceptions in this regard...

In reviewing this, I'd say that assuming the lost constitutes a vast majority of humanity could be a mistake. I don't think the Bible makes such a case conclusively. In any case, the numbers are not up to us. Nor are they really of any consequence, IMO. If God's plan is to allow numbers which...