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    Five scriptures that clearly teach the Death of Christ saves !

    The entire Bible is for believers. It is our guide. However there is a lot about unbelievers as well. Now, lets look at I Cor 15:12-22. First it has nothing to do with elect. It has everything to do with Christ's work of redemption, redemption of the world, but here specifically mankind. It is...
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    Five scriptures that clearly teach the Death of Christ saves !

    You go from bad to worse with your double down on your view. If what you say that only the elect were of Adam, even though it says all men, then all other human beings were not human. Thus the Incarnated Body of Christ was an elect body, differentiated from a non-elect human being. Can...
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    AMILLENNIALISM, A GNOSTIC DOCTRINE

    You are correct on Origin. However, Barnabas in his Epistles speaks of an earthly kingdom of Christ. The historical origins of a view called mellinarianism actually began in Asia Minor with a Gnostic, Cereinthus. He combined teaching of the Ebonites and Gnostic Living in Asia Minor was Papias...
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    How the idea of Immortal Soul got into the Church

    Only by the Apostles through Christ's own teachings and the Holy Spirit. Then we have almost 50 years of putting that Gospel into practice and understanding. That Gospel was given once for all, for all time. It was not given for individual man to add his understanding to it and call it the...
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    Five scriptures that clearly teach the Death of Christ saves !

    Clearly you have not read the entire line of discussion here. However, Rom 5:12 clearly states that all men became sinners because of the condemnation of death for Adam's sin. So, if all men are sinners, which reinforces Rom 5:6 where Christ died for the ungodly, which is all men, no...
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    How the idea of Immortal Soul got into the Church

    So, the only basis of understanding is what the Holy Spirit gives to you, even though every other person holds to that same view,. Just how do you then determine your understanding is actually of the Holy Spirit. The answer lies in Jude 3.
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    AMILLENNIALISM, A GNOSTIC DOCTRINE

    There were some Church Fathers who held these views but many were declared heritics for these views, Origin, Turtullian, Lactantius, Barnabas that come to mind, plus others. Fortunately, the Church does not derive her understanding from individual men. The Church bases its doctrines from the...
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    How the idea of Immortal Soul got into the Church

    Really? Your statement belies reality. Look around you, not that there were innovations to scripture before the Protestant Reformation, one can number in the many hundreds of denomination whose only existence is based on different meanings of scripture. I can assure you that these many...
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    Five scriptures that clearly teach the Death of Christ saves !

    I got that part but it does not align with scripture. What about the OTHER many of this world. They were not made sinners. Could you point out any people you know who have not been made sinners. Show where scripture uses these terms, headship, just what does that mean for you, since I...
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    How the idea of Immortal Soul got into the Church

    That's really a joke. You're the only one who believes what you do, which is true for just about everyone in this forum. The only correct understanding of scripture is what they develop on their own. It's amazing scripture has so many meanings.
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    SATAN, NOT BOUND YET

    It's called projection.
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    How the idea of Immortal Soul got into the Church

    Since you have nothing to contribute to the discussion, it would be futile to continue.
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    Five scriptures that clearly teach the Death of Christ saves !

    Now I see your problem. You don't understand comparisons, or logic. If only many were made sinners, then not all were made sinners. Vs 18 contradicts your assertion that only many will be made righteous. You miss the whole meaning of the texts and what Christ actually accomplished. The texts...
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    Five scriptures that clearly teach the Death of Christ saves !

    Which is every human being. To be otherwise means that many were made sinners, but not all men. This is a comparison. Your understanding is illogical. Where might this be corroborated in scripture that ONLY SOME MEN were made sinners?
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    SATAN, NOT BOUND YET

    when one needs to fall back on the old tripe of "men's traditions" it is always the one making that remark is of a man's tradition.
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    How the idea of Immortal Soul got into the Church

    Verse 18 helps to understand what verse 19 means. The two are saying the exact same thing but 18 tells us what is being compared. The issue is what did Adam do, and what did Christ do. Adam sinned, which resulted in condemnation, that condemnation was death, physical death, man became mortal...
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    How the idea of Immortal Soul got into the Church

    I would say you are rambling since you had not rational response to my post. You just admitted you do not understand the texts in question. What is the judgment that came to all men? If you don't understand Rom 5:12, then how can you miss Vs 18. It does not even mention sin. It speaks...
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    Five scriptures that clearly teach the Death of Christ saves !

    You have so many disjointed comments on texts you cite. You mix contexts thinking, I must assume, that the use of one word indicates the context. For example: Rom 5:19. The context of Romans 5, is about Christ's Incarnated work of redeeming the world, but specifically mankind. Verse 18...
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    Five scriptures that clearly teach the Death of Christ saves !

    So that is all you can say? If you disagree with the post I made, why not discuss it for a change and show were scripture disagrees with what I stated.
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    Five scriptures that clearly teach the Death of Christ saves !

    Have you ever read any opposing views to your interpretation of scripture? I discussed your view before and showed you by scripture but also by historical interpretation that your view is not scriptural. Christ died for, justified, and reconciled every human being by His death and particularly...