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    Limited atonement !

    Your definition below means the same thing. Exchanged His death for our death, and His sacrifice for our sin. That is a reconcilition, to make right, or redeem, or to make righteous. it did the same thing only animal sacrifices were used to make man right with God again.
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    Limited atonement !

    Christ's atonement has two parts. First, He defeated death for all men, this is objective, man has no part to play in this aspect. (Saved them from death. Secondly, He performed a sacrifice for sin. This sacrifice is not objective. When man believes and repents, confesses his sin, Christ is...
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    Limited atonement !

    This is a eucharist statement looking forward to the feast. It means His offering is not just for His people but also for the life of the world. I have yet to see any translation, Greek to English that translates WORLD to elect. World is cosmos or world order. It matches IJohn 2:2. Yes...
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    Predestinated to Salvation !

    So, now you make God the source/author of sin. Why would God punish sin if He is the creator of sin? Why hold man responsible for his sin when in your theology God is responsible for our sin. Where is this concept taught in scripture?
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    Limited atonement !

    It's not interpretation. It's understanding. It has been clearly understood now for 2000 years and has not changed except for your understanding. Belief comes before baptism. He is referring to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which is a gift given to those that have believed and been...
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    Limited atonement !

    That may be your interpretation but is not scriptural. Having the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a gift given ONLY to believers. Peter spells out the sequence in Acts 2:38, Believe, repent, be baptized and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Which is the same as Johm3:5
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    Limited atonement !

    The post is much to long to make specific statements on each of your statements. Since they all deal with the same content, dealing with the Holy Spirit I'll confine my remarks to that subject. You have a view of the Holy Spirit and how one gets the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that is not...
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    Limited atonement !

    I was taught and my own study - and believed. We don't need to be born again unless we desire to know Him, to believe and accept His call to repent. I see Him in His creation as well. Because the Holy Spirit has worked upon all men, calling them. Rom 1:18-24 explains why men living way in...
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    Limited atonement !

    I can agree with that. However, you cannot find any text where God promised anyone unilateral salvation. In every case it depends on man's choice. John 3:18 Again the word, BELIEVEITH is in present tense active. It depends on your faithfulness. John 3:36 “He that believeth on the Son hath...
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    Limited atonement !

    First, that would be an illogical statement. Secondly, most of scripture would be lying Including every single verse I quoted. You cannot fall from something if you never had it. If anyone has faith, believed in Christ, was baptised, and lost their faith, it means they lost their faith and...
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    Limited atonement !

    I'm convinced you do not read scripture as scripture but within the blinders of your theology. John 10:15 explicitedly denies what you state above. Note vs 14, Jesus uses the pronoun, MY twice. BUT in verse 15 when it comes to His death, He says THE sheep. Then vs 17 he states very clearly...
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    Limited atonement !

    Where does it say in scripture that one who is baptised will remain faithful? How come Adam did not remain faithful. He walked and talked with God in the Garden. Here are some texts that deny your statement regarding permanence. 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times...
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    Predestinated to Salvation !

    This is why your theology makes no sense. This statement is totally illogical, nonsensical.
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    Predestinated to Salvation !

    Man cannot be condemned twice. Your theology, respective of non-elect leaves them still under the curse of death through Adam. Which is permanent death. Your theology has no provision for their freedom from that curse. How could they have a sin debt. They were saved, past tense, from the...
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    Predestinated to Salvation !

    Which has nothing to do with the questions I asked. Just more irrelevant nonsense. Can you answer he questions?
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    Predestinated to Salvation !

    You are certainly free to believe as you desire. That is the free choice we all have and each will give an account of what we did with with our lives.
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    Limited atonement !

    Yes He did. It is amazing just how many there are. But there is ONLY one scriptural one, which is what Jesus stated in a talk with Nicodemus, One must be born by water and the Spirit. John 3:5. Acts 2:38, Peter told those at Pentacost, to believe, be baptised and receive the Holy Spirit...
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    Limited atonement !

    It cannot be explained. Brightfame52 has never explained just how a limited atonement can take place. The concept is unscriptural, an impossibility based on the Incarnation of Christ.
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    Limited atonement !

    Can you explain how this is possible?
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    Predestinated to Salvation !

    Entering His Kingdom through baptism, which is being born of water and the Spirit, John 3:5, does not guarantee salvation. Whether we are eventually saved, (upon one's departure from this world) depends on our faithfulness to abide by the promises we made at one's baptism. I Pet1:3-5 (through...