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I can see the big picture, you do not want to see all the facts that prove the thief cannot possibly be an example of NT salvation. When Christ was ON EARTH He had been given authority to forgive sins of those whom He tho't was deserving. Yet Christ is NOT on earth today in person forgiving...

Heb 9:16-17 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Christ's NT would not come in effect until some point AFTER He died...For a testament...

God being a Spirit does not change nor has anything to do with the fact that man has a role in the new birth, that role being "obedience to the truth" in doing the Father's will in submitting to water baptism as God has commanded. Spirit means literal Spirit in Jn 3:5 just as water means...

You accept man-made theologies in place of Bible facts. Heb 9:16-17 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Christ's NT would not come...

----Rom 10:17 faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God. The Holy Spirit is the Author of the Bible. Therefore the Holy Spirit through His written word when heard by man, man develops faith in his heart (Rom 10:9). Since any man is able to believe upon hearing the word, then man...

If man can only repent if God enables him to repent then that makes God culpable for the impenitent yet God has no such culpability. And again it makes NO SENSE to command men to repent if man cannot possibly do so. John says God's commands are not grievous (cruel) yet giving commands...

Commands DO imply ability and accountability else it makes NO SENSE in giving commands. God commanded Noah to build an ark and he had the ability and accountability to obey. Those Jews in Acts 2 were commanded to repent and be baptized and they had ability and accountability to do it...

Yet Jesus left earth some 2000 years ago (Acts 1:9-11) therefore it is impossible for anyone today to be saved as the thief for Christ is not on earth today in person forgiving the sins of men. When Christ left earth some 2000 years ago He left behind His NT as His authority on earth and His NT...

Jn 3:5---------------Spirit ++++++++++++++++ water >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enter the kingdom 1 Cor 12:13----SPirit ++++++++++++++++ baptized >>>>>>>>>>>> into one body Eph 5:26---------the word ++++++++++++washing of water >>>>>>> cleansed Tts 3:5-----------Holy Ghost ++++++++++washing of reg. >>>>>>>>>...

Why put words in my mouth I did not say?????? There will be people under the OT law will be saved as there will be those under the NT law that will be saved. The difference is they will not be judged the same way for they lived under different laws.

People are judged by the law under which they live. People who live in the US are not judged by the laws of China. How can Abraham be judge by the laws of the NT when he never lived under the NT laws therefore not ameanable to the NT laws? How can I be judged by the OT law that I did not...

Who does the work of believing, God or man?

The reasons I gave in previous posts of mine show it is IMPOSSIBLE for the thief to be an example of NT salvation. See my post number 94.

They lived under the various OT laws and will be judged by that OT law they lived under. Salvation under the OT had different requirements than the NT gospel of Christ that we today who live under. The NT gospel of Christ requires belief repentance cofession and baptism for remission of sins...

I agree that a hearer of Christ must do what CHrist. Christ said one must believe (Jn 3:16) repent (Luke 13:3) confess (Matt 10:32-33 and be water baptized (Mk 16:16) therefore a hearer MUST be water baptized. My point is about the thief. The thief is not an example of NT salvation and how...

In post #25 you posted: "The thief on the cross was saved for his faith was in Christ . Had he been able to come down from the cross he would have then also been baptized . But as we see he never was " You posted the thief "never was" baptized. As you point out, no side has any proof if the...

Yes, that is what Jn 6:29 says. My question to you is what do you think "work of God" means? Does it man God does the work of believing while man is idle?

Lk 6:46 why call ye Me Lord, Lord and do not what I say? He who hears the Lord and believes the Lord will do what the Lord says and that includes doing as the Lord said in being baptized as the Lord said, Mk 16:16.

Believing apart from baptism cannot save for he that believeth AND is baptized shall be saved. --What proof do you have the thief had never been baptized? How do you know he was not of those of Mk 1:5 that was baptized of John? --The thief is not an example of NT gospel salvation (Heb...

In post 22 you posted: "believing in Christ is the work of God" What do you mean that believing "is the work of God"? Are you suggesting man is unable to believe therefore God must do the work of believing for man? --------------------------------------- Again, if believeth and is baptized...