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Personally, though I'm not disputing the idea of souls in heaven prior to their bodily resurrection, it is likely meaning in this sense, such as the latter below. Genesis 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

Luke 21:24 mentions until the times of the Gentiles have been fulfilled. How can the times of the Gentiles not be involving a few thousand years? The point being, if it does, this indicates there is a gap of at least 2000 years that follows Luke 21:20 before the coming in verse 27 can arrive.

What you are failing to factor in, IMO, is the following. Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. Something has to explain...

For decades that was my position as well. Therefore, I grasp where you are coming from and why. The reason I changed my position is because I eventually realized that it was not reasonable that the Discourse would be silent altogether in regards to 70 AD. 70 AD happened, and that it makes zero...

Maybe look at it like this. Take this little season in Revelation 6, for instance. If one interpreter is applying it to the first century and another interpreter is applying it to final days of this age leading up to the 2nd coming, obviously then, a futurist label can't fit the former, nor can...

Here's an idea. Instead of blatantly misrepresenting what I plainly said and meant, why not look at what I said in context, not out of context? Observe what I was arguing at the time. Grasp my position. I wasn't arguing for what you quoted, I was arguing against it. One would have to lack...

The fact you brought this up, I guess I overlooked something chatgpt said that I myself don't necessarily agree with. Meaning this---From this angle, the souls under the altar represent those killed during the Tribulation, not from the first century. I would argue this instead. That it includes...

I gave what you said to Chatgpt to chew on. Here is some of what it said. I can't speak for anyone else, but I like how it answered and addressed this. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. ---------------------------- chatgpt: -----------------Futurist View: Futurists interpret Revelation largely...

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Some views, mainly Amil take the following to be meaning in heaven while in a...

Since there is a view called Amil, and that Revelation 20 mentions a thousand years, where then is there anything recorded in Revelation prior to that chapter that supports that some of these prophesied events are involving the time of the thousand years? No matter how you look at it, no way can...

And IMO why this is relevant is because one is not considered to have fully overcome until they have endured up until the end of their life or up until Christ returns, whichever might come first in their case. It is not reasonable to argue, like some apparently do, that once you are saved this...

Let's be reasonable here. Whenever the unjust are raised, whether that be during the 2nd coming, or a thousand years post the 2nd coming, either way it involves them being judged and sentenced at that time. Which means their fate comes following the sentencing phase, the same way in the real...

You seem to think you can speak for me even though you are not even me. So now I think whatever feedback I get from chatgpt is true, when I don't even remotely think that is the case every single time? I'm basically using chatgpt as a research tool, except it has an added feature, it can...

And now that I have admitted that Irenaeus was applying Revelation 20:2 to the time of the cross, I then consulted Chatgpt, which is obviously more intelligent than all of us put together, in order to see if it might provide some insight into Irenaeus' theology at the time, thus make some sort...

But I did make another post after that one. After this post of yours. Maybe when you read that it might change your mind about me to some degree. But then again, maybe not. You seem to maybe be unforgiving in my case.

Initially I tended to doubt that. But after thinking on it some more, I have to now agree that no Amils, including WPM, are being intellectually dishonest in this thread. And I do apologize for initially thinking otherwise. And that I do apologize for things I said to Amils in another post in...

I said the following to Chatgpt earlier: It seems to me then that Irenaeus' theology can't fully fit a Premil nor an Amil framework. Because, what Premil today would agree that Revelation 20:2 is meaning at the cross? And what Amil today would agree that the millennium doesn't begin until after...

and that the lion, that is, antichrist, rampant against mankind in the latter days, should be trampled down by Him; and that He should bind the dragon, that old serpent Revelation 20:2 and subject him to the power of man, who had been conquered Luke 10:19 so that all his might should be trodden...

In this case I was only using Chatgpt to research what some early church fathers had said, meaning maybe it knew of some quotes that supports what @WPM was alleging about Justin, or maybe it agreed with @WPM take on what Justin had said. At least chatgpt is intellectually honest about things...

I submitted what you said here to Chatgpt, then I asked chatgpt the following. ------------------ The following is what an Amillennialist is asking about in regards to what another Amillennialist said. Is all of it true, that Justin Martyr said Jesus would cast "the wicked, endued with eternal...