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  1. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    God and Jesus are not one in the sense of being one God, one person, one in substance, etc.. Jesus meant that they were in one accord, with the same aims and desires, working for the same thing; they were united in purpose. It does not prove that "one plus one equals one", nor that that 'one...
  2. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I say God, the Father. The NT Peshitta translates it as: 17. Therefore do not be stupid, but understanding what the will of God is. 18. Neither be drunk with wine in which is debauchery, but be filled with The Spirit. 19. But speak to yourselves in Psalms and hymns and songs of The Spirit; be...
  3. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Right , like in this verse - Song of Solomon 6:9 (KJV): (9) My dove, my undefiled is but one [echad]; she is the only one [echad] of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her. The...
  4. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I have not confessed unbelief in the words of God. Saying that "the members of the Church are not Jesus" is not in conflict with verse 30. You have not understood it if you believe that you are literally part of Jesus. Paul wrote in verse 32, "This mystery is great, but I speak concerning...
  5. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    No it doesn't. To prove that it would have to say that "the head of Christ is the Father". If Christ Jesus is part of God then God cannot be the head of Jesus. Nobody can be the head of themselves. Ephesians 5:23 (WEB): (23) For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the...
  6. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    1 Corinthians 11:3 (WEB): (3) But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man is not Christ; the woman is not the man; Christ is not God.
  7. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    How do you deduce that from what I wrote? Not that it's relevant to the topic of this thread.
  8. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    No. That's absurd, and it only makes sense to you because you believe that God is three seperate beings. Deuteronomy 6:4 WEB: (4) Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God. Yahweh is one. MKJV: (4) Hear, O, Israel. Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. LSV: (4) Hear, O Israel: Our God YHWH—YHWH [is] one...
  9. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I was mainly pointing out that Jesus said that his Father was the only true God. However, if you read what I said you'll find that I didn't miss out "half the equation". I wrote: "To gain eternal life we have to know God, and to know who God sent to save us - His only begotten Son."
  10. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I had written "If God exalted Jesus then Jesus could not have been God". The Greek word that's translated as 'exalted' is huperupsoo which means "to elevate above others, that is, raise to the highest position" (Strong's). You cannot elevate yourself above others, it requires somebody above...
  11. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Where does it say that? I can't find it. All I can find is Philippians 2:7 (KJV): (7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: More modern translations translate "made himself of no reputation" as "emptied himself"...
  12. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    No, it means that Jesus, God's only begotten son, who was a god (a mighty being), did not ever consider trying to become equal to God. Unlike Satan, who wanted to be like God.
  13. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Jesus wasn't equal with God, and is now still not equal with God, nor will he ever be. 1 Corinthians 15:28 (WEB): (28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
  14. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    That's a nonsensical sentence. Are you a fan of Star Wars? Yes, Jesus existed before Abraham was born. Well if that's the only two possibilities that you can think of, then they must be the only two. Or perhaps you're not as clever as you thought and there may be other possibilities! Jesus...
  15. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Right, as Jesus said in the verse you just quoted, speaking to his Father, John 17:3 (WEB): (3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. Jesus' God and Father is the only true God. That's the very words of Jesus. To gain...
  16. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Being in the form of God doesn't mean that he was God (any more than being in "the form of a bondservant" means he was a particular bondservant); it means that he was similar to God in nature (though not exactly as only God had immortality at that point). A better translation (you didn't...
  17. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    The phrase "God the son" does not appear anywhere in the Bible. 1 John 4:9 (UASV+): (9) In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, so that we might live through him. If God sent His only Son begotten into the world, how can His only...
  18. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I presume you mean "hard" rather than "Heard". God does love people! John 3:16 (WEB): (16) For God so loved the world [all mankind], that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. God was willing to let His most beloved Son die for...
  19. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    That is not proof! o_O
  20. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Numbers 23:19 (WEB): (19) God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good? Malachi 3:6 (WEB): (6) “For I, Yahweh, don’t change; therefore you, sons of Jacob, are not consumed. All...