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    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    Goodbye. Believe whatever unscriptural nonsense you like.
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    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    Unfortunately, what you've described is contrary to God's word which is our only guide, but, believe what you like and trust in your own illogical logic. Proverbs 14:12-16 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, But the end thereof are the ways of death.
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    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    Yes, a act of God but one that requires our doing something first by being obedient. 1. Belief and faith 2. Confession with the mouth per Rom 10:9 as did the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 3. Repentance as did the Jews in Acts 2:38 4. Baptism (immersion in water) for the remission of sins, also per...
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    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    It required the laying on of the hands of an apostle, which is why Peter and John were sent. They laid their hands on them enabling the manifestation of the Spirit. Read Acts 8:16-18. This is the falling of the Holy Ghost, its manifistasltion, not the indwelling of the Holy Ghost which everyone...
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    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    Is "his" gospel a different one and not the gospel of Christ? Is there more than one gospel message that conflicts with 'others' in the bible? Before you answer, let me answer for you: NO! There are not conflicting gospels.
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    The False vs True Gift Of Tongues

    Just read the words of the scripture. It's history. Jesus was speaking directly and emphatically to THEM! Read the historical account. Because he said these things to THEM, what makes you think it has the same direct application to you? It doesn't. You were not directly taught anything by the...
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    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    Two anomalies in the falling of the Holy Ghost One in Acts 2 and the other in Acts 10. In both instances, it fell unilaterally without the laying on of the apostle's hands and in both cases it did so first a reason, it the norm. In Acts 10, it fell on the Gentiles as a sign. They still were...
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    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    There is no gospel of Paul. There is one gospel preached and taught by all biblical characters and it's the gospel of Christ, and they all harmonize.
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    Born again - Before, or After, the Call?

    It all happens at the same time. Read Acts 2:38-47. They, believed, were told to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins, upon which they would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, and were added to the body of Christ by the which is the church per verse 47. You aren't a Christian by...
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    The False vs True Gift Of Tongues

    Who was Jesus speaking to as recorded in the John scripture you cited? It was his apostles, not you, not me, not us today. Has the Spirit taught you all things and brought them into remembrance? YOU (nor I or anyone else) are not the YOU that is recorded in this scripture; it's his apostles. Go...
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    The False vs True Gift Of Tongues

    My only suggestion would be, let the scriptures be your guide, and not your gut.
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    The False vs True Gift Of Tongues

    No problem, believe what you like.
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    The False vs True Gift Of Tongues

    Thread 'Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them' Spiritual gifts: Unconfusing them
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    The False vs True Gift Of Tongues

    Bottom line fact of the matter is, modern day so-called "tongues", like all other biblical manifistations (gifts) of the Spitit, WERE, but are no more. They all ceased, and logically so, as was stated they all would in 1 Cor 13:8. Tongues may be "real" all right, but it's real nonsense; nothing...
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    Do We Receive Salvation At Once, When We Said The Sinners Prayer?

    Contrary to what you stated which is inconsistent with scripture, we DO get the spirit of God upon being saved which is exactly what Acts 2:38 teaches. Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of...
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    Do We Receive Salvation At Once, When We Said The Sinners Prayer?

    I don't have you confused, but maybe just misunderstood your previous comments. And the spirit and the soul are not one in the same since they can be divided nor did I insinuate you said that. Getting back to the subject, you'll have to better explain what you mean regarding the spirit/Spirit...
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    Do We Receive Salvation At Once, When We Said The Sinners Prayer?

    You said a lot of stuff but no scripture. The spirit or breath of life that we all have is not the gift of the Holy Ghost as in Acts 2:38. You're insinuating, they are one in the same with no differentiation. It's clear from the scriptures that the Holy Ghost/Spirit that Christians relate to is...
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    Do We Receive Salvation At Once, When We Said The Sinners Prayer?

    Who did they pray to? Who listened? Their prayers are meaningless and worthless.
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    Do We Receive Salvation At Once, When We Said The Sinners Prayer?

    The scripture is clear. It (Acts 2:38) says otherwise. It says "receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" which is the indwelling of the Spirit itself. 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the...
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    Do We Receive Salvation At Once, When We Said The Sinners Prayer?

    Don't confuse receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, the indwelling of the Spirit, with baptism of the Holy Spirit. Baptism of the Holy Spirit happened when and to whom? And how does this occur according to scripture? The 11 apostles were baptized in this manner in Acts 2, fulfilling John the...