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  1. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    That's the wrong question, the right questions is, who is that child who is called all these names? And how can a human be called all these names?
  2. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The deity of Jesus is not about logic, it's about faith what the Scripture states, which the Greek text (and the vast majority of translations) I showed you clearly states. Jesus came from heaven (John 3:13) and incarnated in the human flesh. Do you believe that? Do you understand it? You don't...
  3. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I am not Johann as you can see, but I am curious about your thoughts on Isa 9:6 - For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. -----------...
  4. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You are right, I (as a non native english speaker) mixed up. Efez 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, Jesus paid our debt. Jesus -- being sinless -- did not have any debt. Or it must have been that God put...
  5. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Read the Greek - John 1:1 Greek Text Analysis The Word was with God and God was the Word.
  6. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    What ?? This is what I said - As we know we are saved by grace alone, there is nothing to earn. Did you misread ?
  7. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I agreed to what you said, I quote - He gave up that glorious state to become a lowly human who was to sacrifice his life because Adam didn’t love his God enough to sacrifice his wife for him. He chose to side with his disobedient wife rather than to lose her.....creating the necessity for all...
  8. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I guess you missed - Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Col 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him...
  9. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Shall we quote in context ? Filipp 2:6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God, Filipp 2:7 but did empty himself, the form of a servant having taken, in the likeness of men having been made, Filipp 2:8 and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled...
  10. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Let's not forget the passage we are talking about - Hebr 9:12 - he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. You said based on this verse Jesus needed redemption. I disagree, the...
  11. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    John - 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I [Jesus] had with you [Father] before the world existed. Excellent start, Jesus existed before humans were created, can we conclude Jesus was not a human, thus a spiritual Being? IOW, who was He before creation?
  12. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    That's a pleasant surprise. Agree. Okay, first point agreed, curious on my next points. 2. We know Jesus with the Father was involved in the creation story (Col 1) 3. We know Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end (Rev) 4. We know Jesus existed before...
  13. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    No idea why do you think so, but I have the idea you are going to tell me.
  14. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    All glory is for God the Son.
  15. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    John 17:5 - And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I [Jesus] had with you [Father] before the world existed. This verse is about the glory between God the Father and God the Son and the glory between Them goes back before creation, before the Father (Elohim) said...
  16. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Where ? John - 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I [Jesus] had with you [Father] before the world existed.
  17. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    So Jesus as ONLY HUMAN had to earn his redemption ????
  18. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Luk 22:39 And he came out and went, as was his custom, to the Mount of Olives, and the disciples followed him. Luk 22:40 And when he came to the place, he said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.” Luk 22:41 And he withdrew from them about a stone's throw, and knelt down and...
  19. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Incredible indeed...............
  20. ProDeo

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Wow... Face, you adding to Scripture ? Let's check the real Scripture and in context - Hebr 9:11 And Christ being come, chief priest of the coming good things, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands--that is, not of this creation-- Hebr 9:12 neither through blood...