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@face2face , @Aunty Jane I am much surprised about your answer on my first point - 1. We know Jesus was the ONLY human Who preexisted and knew His life with the Father when He was on Earth (John 17) John - 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with...

You are sabotaging what I wrote, changing the subject. 1. We know Jesus was the ONLY human Who preexisted and knew His life with the Father when He was on Earth (John 17) John 17:5 - And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed...

Yes, I know that you believe that, but actually (as indicated) I am more interested on what we can agree and what you can derive from the points I quoted, a few more - 1. We know Jesus as the ONLY human Who preexisted and knew His life with the Father when He was on Earth (John 17) 2. We know...

No worries my friend :vgood:

Thanks @Aunty Jane and @face2face for both thoughtful posts. I think it's obvious by now we are not going to agree, nevertheless we can give it a try on which points we agree when it's about the question - Who is Jesus and what do we know about Him - 1. We know Jesus as only human He...

No button for 10 likes. The Didache (a.d. 60-150) is convincing enough.

Thanks for the spanking :Broadly: Question for you, in theory, could Christ have failed in His mission, remain sinless, bear us, do everything the Father wanted from Him, all the way to a horrible death, putting the full weight of more than 100 billion sinners on His shoulders and take away...

Glorifying the Father in meekness and humbleness. Matt 11:29 - take up my yoke upon you, and learn from me, because I am meek and humble in heart, and ye shall find rest to your souls, Amen.

Like I said, my worry is that you don't have fully understood the Gospel. You miss a lot rejecting the divinity of Christ. AD 325 was about 318 church leaders to agree and 316 did. But we have the statements of 2 pupils of the Apostle John who clearly said that Jesus was God in the human flesh...

My worry is that you don't have fully understood the Gospel. Allow me a question, in your services to do sing praise to, or glorify Jesus? I know we do, loud and joyful. And most of all thankful.

John 8:58 - Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:59 - So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple. Imagine that you are wrong after all, then basically you are like the Jews of that time, except you are...

Extreme tunnel vision.

What an extreme interpretation of Scripture to fit your doctrine, apparently there are no limits to deny the divinity of Christ. Everybody understands what Christ meant, but not you?! 2 Corr 5:21 - For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the...

We all sin different.

Because Elohim is Gen-1 and Yahweh is from Gen-2 and on, 2 different Persons and they are ONE.

Zach 14:1 Behold, a day is coming for the LORD...... [Yahweh] Zach 14:3 Then the LORD..........[Yahweh] Zach 14:4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives..... [the feet of Yahweh] Zach 14:5 Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him. [Second coming of Christ]...

Sorry brother, it's my understanding of Scripture what has convinced me, nothing to with the things you wrongly suggested. And don't make things personal, it's a sign of defeat.

I will try to remember you are not a JW. But why question John 1:1? The Greek is convincing, same Greek words are used for "God" and "Word". Meaning, you have no point. Never was a problem for almost 2000 years and you think you are smarter? That's a statement without content.

Ha, that's a good one indeed. An unfulfilled prophecy yet to happen, Yahweh speaking of Jesus as His equal. It gets even better 2 chapters later. Zach 14:1 Behold, a day is coming for the LORD, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst. Zach 14:2 For I will gather all the...

Still trying to change the history of almost 2000 years Christianity changing the Scriptures to your own beliefs? In John 1:1 the Word=God, not a god, period, not your changed JW bible. Ignatius and Polycarp, two disciples of the apostle John clearly were outspoken about the divinity of Christ...