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  1. PinSeeker

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    He certainly did. No one here disputes that. The only question, Marks ~ the question you seemingly refuse to entertain ~ is whether that promise made by God had an immediate or an ultimate fulfillment. The answer, of course, is yes. He did save Israel, leading them through the Exodus to the...
  2. PinSeeker

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    That's just not true. Hmmm. So, give me one or two. <smile> It is. So is the ESV. And the NIV. See above. It's impossible to go strictly one-to-one from the Koine Greek to English. The language structure of the two is very different, I disagree that emphasis is lost, but am willing to...
  3. PinSeeker

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    The ESV adheres to an "essentially literal" translation philosophy, taking into account differences in grammar, syntax, and idiom between current literary English and the original languages. Even still, it emphasizes word-for-word accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning. Ah, I...
  4. PinSeeker

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    Yes, I guessed the KJV. I would argue that the ESV (and NASB and NIV) are not less literal than the KJV. My issue with the KJV... if it could really be called that... is not regarding its literal-ness, really, but rather that, because of the antiquated 15th century English, it is in many...
  5. PinSeeker

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    So, since I answered your question, I would ask (again) that you answer my question. <smile> Is there some reason why you won't specify your own preferred translation? What is it? Again, no matter, but I'm willing to speak to you on your terms. <smile> Grace and peace to you.
  6. PinSeeker

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    I guess I could have been more explicit, but I'm directly quoting the English Standard Version. So, I don't "don't want to say," if that makes sense, and no, it's not "my own translation." Is there some reason why you won't specify your own preferred translation? I mean, no matter, really...
  7. PinSeeker

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    I prefer, in order, the ESV, the NASB, and the NIV. But I will speak to you in terms of the one you prefer, just for your sake. It does. In Romans 2:28-29, he specifically says who true Jews are, and in Romans 8, he speaks of all who are in Christ Jesus being no longer under condemnation, and...
  8. PinSeeker

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    They all say the same thing. What translation would you prefer? Grace and peace to you.
  9. PinSeeker

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    Ah, I meant you might make my answer out to be ambiguous, when it's not. Right, but the answer can be no and yes... depending on the sense in which the question is asked, and with both senses in view at the same time, can be both no and yes at the same time. LOL! Well see??? So this is what...
  10. PinSeeker

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    See above. Right, but not overly so. That's the problem. Yes, the prophets only saw the immediate. But that doesn't negate the ultimate. I did no such thing. I'm not. <smile> Never would I do such a thing. Grace and peace to you.
  11. PinSeeker

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    Ahhhh, good question. So ~ there can be no ambiguity in this, although you will try to make it so ~ no... and yes... it depends on the sense in which that question is asked. No, in the sense of the immediate fulfillment, but yes in the sense that what God was saying through the prophets was...
  12. PinSeeker

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    Ah, so the question then is, Marks, who is the house of Israel? Just Jews? Well, in a sense, yes, but really, God's true Jews, in the sense that Paul speaks of them in: Romans 2:28-29 ~ "no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical... a Jew is one...
  13. PinSeeker

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    We agree on that, of course, and that's what I was saying to him. But that's where he's ~ mistakenly, of course ~ getting that idea from. Right; Paul uses the word harpazo in the 1 Thessalonians 4 passage. You know that, I think. That's what he's referring to, Grace and peace to you.
  14. PinSeeker

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    I do, too, of course, and everyone here does (I think). You will probably cut me off here, as you did on the previous post ~ as expected ~ but... <smile> Yes, it was certainly real, and it was fulfilled in the immediate sense, in the days of Moses and Solomon ~ Moses only saw the promised...
  15. PinSeeker

    Miscellaneous observations on the Pre Trib Rapture

    Well... do you suppose Jesus was lying to the thief crucified on His right when He said, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise"...? Surely not... Even in eternity? Do you not believe, Keraz, that someday... well, in the words of the hymnist... earth and heaven will be...
  16. PinSeeker

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    Right, as to whether or not God will keep all his promises. But we disagree on what some of His promises really are... the true scope of those promises, the full manifestation of them. You say they are limited with regard to ethnicity and geography, among other things, and I do not. <smile>...
  17. PinSeeker

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    Absolutely. There can be no doubt. Ohhhhhh, yes I do. <smile> It's not a matter of "small" and "large" in the context that you present those two terms. I would put it more along the lines of "immediate" and "ultimate." Again, I would bring up God's Law, as I did before, to illustrate...
  18. PinSeeker

    Miscellaneous observations on the Pre Trib Rapture

    Hmmm, the two witnesses of Revelation 11... Well, we know what witnesses are in Revelation, right? I mean, Jesus is the Faithful Witness, as we see in Revelation 1:5, 2:13, and 3:14... But in agreement with Revelation as a whole we find here a symbolic vision of Christian witness. The two...
  19. PinSeeker

    Miscellaneous observations on the Pre Trib Rapture

    I would say "correlates" rather than "transforms," but yes: just prior to what we see in Matthew 25:31 Acts 1:11 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 just prior to what we see in Revelation 7:7 Revelation 14:14 Revelation 19:11-14, and... Revelation 20:9b. <smile> Hmmm, well, I guess the only way to...
  20. PinSeeker

    Miscellaneous observations on the Pre Trib Rapture

    Right, and only one is necessary, of course. <smile> Grace and peace to you, Rebuilder.