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It doesn't matter because the following undeniably 100% proves that those meant in verse 4 and 6 already live again bodily at the beginning of the thousand years---------- But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the trump card that can't be...

This means you have no issue with God burning babies and children to a crisp during the 2nd coming? Right? IOW, you find that perfectly acceptable, for example, that a saved mother that recently gave birth to a child, that she is then raptured to safety while her recently born child is left...

And while you're at it since you do take 2 Peter 3:10-12 literally, that it means the entire planet is literally engulfed in flames, therefore, burning babies, children, adults, animals, etc, to a crisp, why don't you point out for us anywhere in Revelation 19 since it too involves the 2nd...

Even the Premils that don't believe in soul sleep don't agree with you. So let's not act like that it's only because he believes in soul sleep is why he doesn't agree with you. There are no souls reigning with Christ in heaven. And the 5th seal recorded in Revelation 6 proves it. But I'm not...

Speaking of Psalms 2. Psalms 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. What about this part---I shall...

It likely means in a sense such as the following. 1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. But once Jesus returns with the kingdom, one then should love this world since it will then be a new...

We're talking about post #4, correct? If yes, the only thing I see that I said in regards to ignoring anything was this---I guess we just ignore the 'now' recorded in that verse, right? And then this---Unless one is a Preterist, most of the rest of us see this pertaining to His 2nd coming being...

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished(Revelation 20:5) This 100% trumps any and all arguments Amil has, period. Amil cannot get around this part. And that this part undeniably proves that those who have part in the first resurrection already lived again...

Premils, such as me, and I can't speak for all Premils, tend to understand the following like such. Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God...

This is basically how I reason some of this as well. I don't have any issues with this. It would have been nice had you made this post before I made mine, and that I had read this post first. But, unfornately, it didn't turn out that way, no fault of yours of course. Since I don't really have...

Prove it, that that is true in every case. And use the following to prove it. Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. I'll go first and let's see who is being consistent in this case since you seem to be...

I would have addressed the op instead, but apparently that poster has me on ignore. Not that I care nor am I losing sleep over it. The point being, it would be in vain to address the OP if that poster who created it has you on ignore. Some ppl are just immature, I guess. They can't seem to deal...

Thinking out loud here. This is real simple, IMO. Everything labeled 1) below only fits A) below. And everything labeled 2) below only fits B) below. A) This is the first resurrection(Revelation 20:5) B) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were...

Have you not looked at the Greek word? abussos ab'-us-sos from a - a 1 (as a negative particle) and a variation of buqoV - buthos 1037; depthless, i.e. (specially) (infernal) "abyss":-- deep , (bottomless) pit Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit(abussos), and shut him up...

One way to maybe clear this up, provide a verse or verses in either the OT and or in the NT which you feel supports taking a thousand in the literal sense.

Can't say I'm familiar with that. Do you think there is a connection here then?

maybe bottomless can simply mean unfathomable depth? Doesn't have to mean it is literally bottomless, though.

Maybe I should clarify what I'm meaning by a literal place. I'm meaning in a realm that we are not familiar with, have not seen, and that within this realm spirits can be literally imprisoned in a literal place of some kind. What about when someone lost dies, per your view? If spirits can't be...

Exodus 12:21 ¶Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover. 22 And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts...

Why can't it be a literal place that literally imprisons spirit beings? Maybe the LOF isn't a literal place, either? Maybe it too is just a spiritual condition? In Revelation 20 both the pit and LOF have the following in common, meaning what I have underlined in each. Revelation 20:3 And cast...